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Hard to beat a nice 1A.

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Will give you that!

But as the gents said above, for the 7x57, a SR Mauser. They feed the 57 case like a dream and the action is always short and long enough...:)


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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Oh, yeh we heard all about them Brno's and their fabulous ballistics from Ray Atkinson.


What fabulous ballistics, they are rifles not lasers.


I was being facetious. Ray Atkinson told us he could get 7x57 AI ballistics out of his Brno's and beat the 7mm Rem Mag.


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Great fan...if someone would make brass I'd order a barrel tomorrow.

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Remember what JOC wrote...an old timer told him if you (we) had a 22lr, a 12 ga, and a 3006 we'd do just fine.

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Great fan...if someone would make brass I'd order a barrel tomorrow.


Check Nosler and Grafs; it's in stock, all you want.


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Originally Posted by roundoak
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Oh, yeh we heard all about them Brno's and their fabulous ballistics from Ray Atkinson.


What fabulous ballistics, they are rifles not lasers.


I was being facetious. Ray Atkinson told us he could get 7x57 AI ballistics out of his Brno's and beat the 7mm Rem Mag.


I had not seen that one, he must shoot different 7x57's than I have.


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In point of fact my last 7x57 model 21 got 2700 fps out of 50 grains of ar2209 and 150 grain corelokts, up it to 51 grains of '09 and I couldn't hold the little bugger in my left hand.

Shocked the living crap out of a couple of 7mm rem shooters locally, it didn't up the speed much but by Christ it made the rifle lively.

Anyone that thinks they are going to jet-pack a 21 stock is in for one heck of an experience.


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I never understood hot rodding a 7x57 I thought it's best attribute was being mild yet effective as is.

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I'm happier with a .280 or a 7mm-08. And I love to read Corbett and Bell but I don't feel any need to gun the exact same cartridge. I used to get caught up in that sort of thing but as I get older I'm about what I like andnostalgia isn't much of a factor.

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It is hardly nostalgic for me.

The 98 mauser is my first choice for a hunting action for all conditions. The 57mm case is native to that action.

You can make other cases work great and talented smiths do stuff others can't. None the less, the design favors the 57 case.


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Originally Posted by tomk
It is hardly nostalgic for me.

The 98 mauser is my first choice for a hunting action for all conditions. The 57mm case is native to that action.

You can make other cases work great and talented smiths do stuff others can't. None the less, the design favors the 57 case.


Same here. With it's slight tapper it was designed to feed. Throw it in a magazine box that was purpose built for that cartridge and it's amazing. Put that in an action designed specifically for that case and becomes a total package and a peach of a rifle wink

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Beauty work on that Mex, Terry


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Mousers and Mausers are both timeless:


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... and it's even a 7x57!

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Youngest son is too. His Walther Mauser.

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Originally Posted by Zs84
I never understood hot rodding a 7x57 I thought it's best attribute was being mild yet effective as is.


To each his own.

I never understood why the 7x57 should languish in SAAMI pressure limits because of the weakness of the Mauser Models 1892, '93 and '95. I don't consider exceeding those limits "hot rodding", rather using it's potential.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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Oh, yeh we heard all about them Brno's and their fabulous ballistics from Ray Atkinson.


What fabulous ballistics, they are rifles not lasers.


I was being facetious. Ray Atkinson told us he could get 7x57 AI ballistics out of his Brno's and beat the 7mm Rem Mag.


I had not seen that one, he must shoot different 7x57's than I have.


atkinsonhunting 4/16/09

I have been a avid fan of the 7x57 for many years. I always have one around the house and I have hunted extensively with that caliber, its a nostalgia thing I suspect..

All my 7x57 have been Brno M-21 or 22s or custom rifles that I have built...I always have a 30-06 length box (magazine) and I always cut a long throat that will allow for the bullet to be seated out..I throat them to where I can seat a 160 Nosler or perhaps a 175 gr. Nosler .284 depth into the case, depending on the particular rifle..In effect I have a 7x57 Improved if I use H414 powder..I load H414 considerably over any book max so I won't give the load..

BTW, the Brno M-21 and 22 come with such a magazine and chamber. That is why I started doing my rifles like this..

With the above procedure I can get an easy 2600 FPS with the 175 gr. Nosler, and 2916 FPS with the 160 gr. Nosler..

I will add that one of my favorite deer, antelope bullets in the 7x57 is the 130 gr. Speer as it performs flawlessly on such game. It has to take quit a jump to the rifleing but todate it has shot well in every 7x57 I have owned, so perhaps that old wives tale of short bullets making a jump is just that, an old wives tale..Some shoot and some don't just like everything else in the world of gundome, it just depends on the rifle in question.

I have tried this with several calibers/cases, but found that this type of improvement only wo

atkinsonhunting - 8/19/10

Long throats is a misconception..The most accurate 7x57s I have ever shot are the Mod. 21 and 22 Brnos and they have an extremely long throat in that I can seat a 175 gr. Nosler or Hornady half way to the cannalure and get great MOA accuracy, then turn around and shoot the 130 gr. Speer ( a favorite deer bullet of mine ) with the same accuracy..and I am convienced, based on the large number of Brno 21s and 22s I have had over the years, that all the brnos will do just that. I have never seen a Brno M-21 or 22 that would not shoot great groups.

As a result of my many years of hunting and building rifles I have adopted the Brno specs in all my custom 7x57s using long boxes and very long throats, and accuracy has been great..

I suspect the lack of accuracy in most 7x57 is bad barrels and the throat and the jump to the lands is bad press without substance, thats been repeated way too many times..I use Lothar Walthar barrels in all my custom rifles and they all shoot well.

My using loads are huge doses of H-414 with any bullet and I load way over max with that long throat and magazine as the long throat is, in effect, the same as a 7x57 Imp..I get 3200 FPS with the 130 gr. and 2916 FPS with a 160 gr. Nosler and 2700 with a 175 with all of the guns set up like this. These are 10 round chronographed with the high and low taken out for the average..pressures are mild in that I get 14 to 15 loadings with them.

I won't list the powder charge as I would be concerned that someone would use it in a standard chamber or in a Mod 95 or 96 Mauser for instance, but its considerably over book max for a 7x57...


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Originally Posted by Zs84
I never understood hot rodding a 7x57 I thought it's best attribute was being mild yet effective as is.


While there is no arguing that point there is nothing better than making a very good cartridge better. If the 7x57 had been loaded to it's full potential, there would have been no need for the 7-08. Based on one experiment there probably would have been no need for the .280 Remington as well. shocked
Admittedly, the only reason would be to increase the range for reliable hit at longer range.
The 140 gr. factory ammo is advertised at 2600 FPS. My pet load for that weight bullet is 2800 FPS which is safe even at the 100+ degrees here in our summers. Matter of fact we're forecast to be about 90 today. shocked
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Originally Posted by roundoak
I get 3200 FPS with the 130 gr. and 2916 FPS with a 160 gr. Nosler and 2700 with a 175 with all of the guns set up like this. These are 10 round chronographed with the high and low taken out for the average..pressures are mild in that I get 14 to 15 loadings with them.



Must have been using much better Brno model 21's in 7x57 than I have.


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[quote=Zs84]I never understood hot rodding a 7x57 I thought it's best attribute was being mild yet effective as is. [/quote

This ^^^^

As I have stated elsewhere I always chuckle when one claims that " with proper loads the 7x57 can approach the 270 ballistically". Well if that's what you are looking for I can think of a lot easier way to get there.

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