Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters SCOPE LEVELING QUESTION

After watching the educational video on the product's website for sales and comparing it to the correct way to mount a scope with some experience, the choice is simple.

I couldn't care less who endorses the product and their reasons for doing so. With the obvious differences in precision, an endorsement of the product in question as "best" would indicate ignorance on the proper way to do the job.

This includes the Pope as well at Pat, MD, and Jordan

FWIW, I've seen shrapmetal hit tinier stuff around the 350-375 mark with suck BC bullets from factory tubes, leveled by an apparently bad apparatus.

I can't imagine what he'd be like if he used his powers for evil.....

Thanks for the honest answer.

As an ole fart, I resemble that remark...

My rifle skills exceed my eyesight...

So, I have need of a scope, am years beyond irons with any precision.

With a good scope, I'm still dangerous...

DF

Yes but apparently only out to 200 yards.

Is super silly ass the ultimate form of silly ass?

I may be an ole fart with imperfect eyesight, shooting a non A/O scope, but you wouldn't want me shooting at ya at long range, stretching WAY beyond 200...

That could prove detrimental to one's health and well being...

DF

Good lord RC. What did the world do before that jig?

gravity,a plumb bob and a tiny bit of know how applied while SHOOTING is the end all, no matter how precise your jig.

Charley does build a hell of a rifle, but believe it or not a scope can be accurately mounted without that jig.

Nothing wrong with that and I'm getting there myself. I've killed deer in excess of 300 yards with irons when I was younger but 200 is probably about as far as I'd try it now. Back then I could hold 1-1.5" groups at 100 and 4" at 200 with an aperture rear and 1/16" ivory bead front. Now 2" at 100 seems to be about the best I can muster. I can however, still manage to hold into .5 MOA out to 200 {the longest range I have to shoot} with my poorly mounted scopes.

I would just like to report to y'all that I just got off the phone with Shrapnel. He has assured me that his picture of the bore sighter accurately depicts what he claimed.

This intrigues me. I intend to test and find out one way or the other.

By the way, Mister Shrapnel is a very nice guy. I would like to thank him for his time in explaining things to me.

More later.

Looks like an expensive pile of metal that a $.99 deck of cards could have gave the same outcome in that scenario...

That may be, but shooting at me could also prove detrimental, I'm a cantankerous SOB and that'd just piss me off.

Did this for years!

Same jig he used to come to the conclusion that leupold tracts perfectly. You ca t make this [bleep] up

The shaman tripped a little coming down the last flight of stairs to his secret underground reloading room, gunsmithing center and ballistics test facility. Ed, the guard, had been enjoying morning cup of coffee, but nearly poured it on his uniform; he was that startled.

"Careful with the stairs, Mister Shaman." said Ed. There's still that wet spot.

"I think the cistern that holds water for the flume trap is leaking again." replied the shaman. " I'll have to look into that. How's the alligator? All fed?"

"Yes, sir!" replied the guard. "He was fed and the pit cleaned up before the time lock engaged."

"Speaking of which. . ." the shaman cocked his ear to the door. At that very moment, there was a click and then a whirr and then a noise as though tons of steel were suddenly set to motion. ". . . Ah, right on time. The time lock is set to perfection."

Ed motioned for the shaman to stand away. "Be careful sir, the drawbridge will be moving soon." A quarter of an hour later, the guard and the shaman had the last door open. At first, there was the distinct odor of a menagerie after feeding time. The shaman threw a few scraps to the attack falcon and tested the trap door gingerly. Sometimes the latch did not hold and that is why the shaman always made sure the alligator beneath was always well fed.

"Ed, if you'll stay with me today, I have something you can help me do."

"That's fine, Mister Shaman, Always happy to help."

The shaman proceeded to a bin marked "Tomato Stakes" and pulled out a Remington 742 with Weaver Pivot Mounts on it. "Put this up on the bench, while I find the rest of the stuff." Ed complied. The shaman soon rooted up a couple scopes, a Tasco and a BSA.

"This should be good enough." he said. Within a few minutes, he had the first of the scopes mounted, and bade the guard to hand him the box containing the bore-sighter.

"Have I ever taught you how to mount a scope?"

"No, Mister Shaman. I keep myself happy with the J.C. Penny Catalog."

"That's not what I mean, Ed. Oh, never mind. Look here. I have a normal sort of scope mounted on a normal sort of deer rifle and I am trying to get it straight up and down with a normal sort of bore-sighter. Look through the scope and see what you think." The shaman had to demonstrate. Ed started off looking through the bore-sighter.

"Now, I am twisting the scope 10 degrees counterclockwise in the rings and attempting to compensate with the bore-sighter. If all goes well. . ." the shaman twisted and torqued things for a bit. ". . . if all goes well, there will be a noticeable difference. See what you think." The guard stepped over and peered into the scope.

"It looks crooked." replied the guard. "You turned it to the left."

"Yes, but do the lines all line up?"

"Yes."

"Look carefully?"

"Yes."

"Do you see a mis-alignment?"

"No."

"You don't?"

"No. I mean yes."

"Why did you change your mind?"

"Because I don't want to be wrong."

"There is no wrong answer. What do you see?"

"I don't see anything wrong."

"Yes, but are the lines completely parallel?"

"I suppose?"

"You don't see difference?"

"No. . . I mean yes. . no. . ."

"That's okay Ed. Thanks for your help."

See, this is where you have it all over the rest of us; you have an assistant. As everyone knows, two heads ar better than one. It could be argued that Ed may not double the mental capacity here but then maybe he does.
If I decide my life needs more precision I'll bet I could use my Forster drilling jig along with one of the Starret machinist levels to set up my next scope. It should work a lot like the jig shown. I'll probably still miss those stupid chickens but I will at least do it with a perfectly level scope. GD

For sure...

DF

Shaman - good job of covering the topic.

Probably a decade ago, I noticed that there was a slight difference in the way the lines lined up in a scope that was true to the bore-sighter and any other way I could set it up. I have been using that as part of my scope mounting routine lo these many years.

I "knew" going into this that I could see a minor difference between a well-aligned scope and one that is otherwise. However, two scopes later, I'm beginning to wonder. It kind of reminds me of a story Chin tells:

"So there was a farmer who started missing a shovel. He knew the son of the neighboring farmer had taken it.

"' That boy just looks like a thief.' he said to his wife.

"One day he found the shovel under some sacks in the back of the barn, and realized he had left it there the season before.

"'That boy is beginning to look less and less like a thief.' he told his wife."

I do not know anymore.

On the other hand, I am primarily a deer hunter who sets all his rifles up to be about 2 inches high at 100 yards and leave them for years at a time.

I kind of think that scope alignment falls into the same category as the man with two watches.