Only if the loan Cruz borrowed from his OWN account at Goldman Sachs on the margins that you and most of the other Trump supporters hammered Cruz for, is not indicative of Cruz being "owned" by them..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Trump is a businessman. He borrows money from many sources for all types of construction projects. Trump owes the money + interest to the people he borrows money from.
Cruz is a professional politician. He borrows money to buy political influence,..and he owes political influence to those who loan him the money.
We both know this,...so why try to make it an issue?
The Trump loan is as much a do about nothing as was the Cruz loan. Cruz borrowed against his own money (about like a home equity loan); Trump borrowed against his own property.
The rest are outright donations. Yuge differences.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
True enough, but Goldman Sachs has also made substantial campaign contributions to Cruz,...along with many others who will expect repayment by political influence.
True enough, but Goldman Sachs has also made substantial campaign contributions to Cruz,...along with many others who will expect repayment by political influence.
Individuals at Goldman Sachs have donated $64,000 to Cruz's campaign.
Really? $64,000 is all it takes to buy a presidential candidate?
Appreciate the laughter for today, keep up the good work!
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The Trump loan is as much a do about nothing as was the Cruz loan. Cruz borrowed against his own money (about like a home equity loan); Trump borrowed against his own property.
The rest are outright donations. Yuge differences.
Egg-friggin-xactly! But somehow the RP-Kookista contingent of Trump supporters have a double standard.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Only if the loan Cruz borrowed from his OWN account at Goldman Sachs on the margins that you and most of the other Trump supporters hammered Cruz for, is not indicative of Cruz being "owned" by them..
Cruz is philosophically pro Wall Street, they don't need to own him.
Cruz is taking campaign contributions from everybody who offers and begging for more.
He's a typical professional politician,...owned from his nose to his toes.
There's no reason to expect anything except "business as usual" from him.
The master of mis-direction strikes again.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Only if the loan Cruz borrowed from his OWN account at Goldman Sachs on the margins that you and most of the other Trump supporters hammered Cruz for, is not indicative of Cruz being "owned" by them..
Cruz is philosophically pro Wall Street, they don't need to own him.
So is Trump and so is anybody that has an interest in making their money grow. Then again, that lines you up with Bernie, not surprised..
PS: I don't have an issue with Trump (or anybody) doing business BTW...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Cruz is taking campaign contributions from everybody who offers and begging for more.
He's a typical professional politician,...owned from his nose to his toes.
There's no reason to expect anything except "business as usual" from him.
So we can infer that Trump will bankrupt the United States.
The United States is already bankrupt. Factor in Social Security and all the other mandates, run the numbers through GAAP, and the answer you get is "bankrupt".
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Cruz is taking campaign contributions from everybody who offers and begging for more.
He's a typical professional politician,...owned from his nose to his toes.
There's no reason to expect anything except "business as usual" from him.
So we can infer that Trump will bankrupt the United States.
The United States is already bankrupt. Factor in Social Security and all the other mandates, run the numbers through GAAP, and the answer you get is "bankrupt".
I forgot to add the "and blame it on somebody else" part. But a Trumpster came along and did it for me.
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Hillary Clinton- Soros donated $8 million to the Clinton super PAC and He has given millions to the Clinton Foundation.
Bernie Sanders- The Soros front group MoveOn.org has endorsed Sanders in the election.
Donald Trump- Soros loaned Trump $160 million dollars for a development project.
John Kasich- Soros gave about $600,000 to Kasich's super PAC.
Anyone know of other examples?
Trump's business loan doesn't have anything to do with the other campaign donations you listed.
One is a business loan. The others are campaign donations.
This is the kind of dishonesty that has turned many people off on the Cruz supporters.
Didn't Trumps business fund his campaign? The real answer is no, but that's what Donnie says. Any contact with a creature such as Soros merits concern, particularly when one benefits monetarily and is in a position of power. But you know that. You're just not admitting it here and now.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Cruz is taking campaign contributions from everybody who offers and begging for more.
He's a typical professional politician,...owned from his nose to his toes.
There's no reason to expect anything except "business as usual" from him.
So we can infer that Trump will bankrupt the United States.
The United States is already bankrupt. Factor in Social Security and all the other mandates, run the numbers through GAAP, and the answer you get is "bankrupt".
I forgot to add the "and blame it on somebody else" part. But a Trumpster came along and did it for me.
You continue to be a complete retard.
1) I'm not a "Trumpster". Not even close. 2) There wasn't any "blame anyone else"; it's simply a financial fact that under GAAP, the U.S. is already bankrupt. The .gov refuses to factor in SS and other mandates into the accounting that shows their balance sheet, and that's cooking the books. When all the financial data is calculated, the U.S. is shown, in fact, to be bankrupt at this point.
Those are facts, and you've made it clear many times over that you can't deal with those.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Cruz is taking campaign contributions from everybody who offers and begging for more.
He's a typical professional politician,...owned from his nose to his toes.
There's no reason to expect anything except "business as usual" from him.
So we can infer that Trump will bankrupt the United States.
The United States is already bankrupt. Factor in Social Security and all the other mandates, run the numbers through GAAP, and the answer you get is "bankrupt".
I forgot to add the "and blame it on somebody else" part. But a Trumpster came along and did it for me.
You continue to be a complete retard.
1) I'm not a "Trumpster". Not even close. 2) There wasn't any "blame anyone else"; it's simply a financial fact that under GAAP, the U.S. is already bankrupt. The .gov refuses to factor in SS and other mandates into the accounting that shows their balance sheet, and that's cooking the books. When all the financial data is calculated, the U.S. is shown, in fact, to be bankrupt at this point.
Those are facts, and you've made it clear many times over that you can't deal with those.
Thanks for clarifying your non-Trumpster status. I wasn't arguing the status of our current economy. I was pointing out Bristoe's attempt at the use of "inference" to be the all-knowing blowhard he is.
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I know you can't help being a fuggin' idiot, but you shouldn't broadcast that fact by attempting to participate in discussions that shine a light on the fact that you're a fuggin' idiot.
Trump borrowed from Soros A. IDGAF, but we don't know the particulars, could have been a sweetheart deal or a straight up transaction. WE DONT KNOW. HE could have borrowed from someone else, so why Soros? WE DONT KNOW.
B. Cruz borrowed against HIS OWN MONEY. THAT MUCH WE KNOW. but that is your angle to crucify him and label hims as "owned", which is of course, total bullshit speculation C. Your posit that Cruz is "owned" by someone is an assumption on your part, yet your idol RP was not only "owned" (if we follow your Cruz logic he's a politician, ergo ALL are owned, but he made millions with his political schtick.
You're so consumed by this whole thing you refuse the see even the most obvious issues with Trump. They are both deeply flawed individuals who might, might, be corrupt, I dont know and you sure as hell don't either. Bottom line is I will VOTE for either one against the democrat and I know YOU by your own admission not only didnt vote in the last election, but you won't in this one either.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Trump borrowed from Soros A. IDGAF, but we don't know the particulars, could have been a sweetheart deal or a straight up transaction. WE DONT KNOW. HE could have borrowed from someone else, so why Soros? WE DONT KNOW.
B. Cruz borrowed against HIS OWN MONEY. THAT MUCH WE KNOW. but that is your angle to crucify him and label hims as "owned", which is of course, total bullshit speculation C. Your posit that Cruz is "owned" by someone is an assumption on your part, yet your idol RP was not only "owned" (if we follow your Cruz logic he's a politician, ergo ALL are owned, but he made millions with his political schtick.
You're so consumed by this whole thing you refuse the see even the most obvious issues with Trump. They are both deeply flawed individuals who might, might, be corrupt, I dont know and you sure as hell don't either. Bottom line is I will VOTE for either one against the democrat and I know YOU by your own admission not only didnt vote in the last election, but you won't in this one either.
Going into tonight’s G.O.P. debate, in South Carolina, the Times story is the talk of the political class. The author, Mike McIntire, revealed that, in 2012, Cruz used a loan that his wife took out from Goldman to help to finance his successful Senate campaign, during which he honed his reputation as a critic of bank bailouts and corporate cronyism. The Goldman loan, which was for between two hundred and fifty thousand and half a million dollars, wasn’t disclosed to the Federal Election Commission, as it should have been. Rather than publicly acknowledging its existence, Cruz subsequently told reporters that he and his wife had liquidated practically all of their personal savings to help pay for the campaign.
Based on McIntire’s inspection of the annual ethics reports that Cruz and other Senators are obliged to file, which require them to list all of the assets they own, this appears to have been a fib. In addition to taking out the loan from Goldman in 2012, which was a margin loan attached to a brokerage account, the Cruzes took out a credit line, of similar size, from Citibank. Between the beginning and end of 2012, the value of the cash and securities that the family owned didn’t diminish to zero, or anything near it. Rather, it “saw a net increase of as much as $400,000,” McIntire reported.
Whether Trump's loan was a business deal or not, I would prefer that the guy in the White House does not owe George Soros $160 million.
Technically, the business borrowed the money and it's a loan secured against property.
I'd prefer Soros be hanged by the neck until dead, but if you're going to make a point at least trying making one that is valid and factual.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Whether Trump's loan was a business deal or not, I would prefer that the guy in the White House does not owe George Soros $160 million.
Technically, the business borrowed the money and it's a loan secured against property.
I'd prefer Soros be hanged by the neck until dead, but if you're going to make a point at least trying making one that is valid and factual.
So would you consider a loan with a loan shark that's collateralized a good idea? Just because it was a business deal and just because collateral is involved doesn't mean the person doesn't owe money to a very dangerous person.
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Whether Trump's loan was a business deal or not, I would prefer that the guy in the White House does not owe George Soros $160 million.
Technically, the business borrowed the money and it's a loan secured against property.
I'd prefer Soros be hanged by the neck until dead, but if you're going to make a point at least trying making one that is valid and factual.
So would you consider a loan with a loan shark that's collateralized a good idea? Just because it was a business deal and just because collateral is involved doesn't mean the person doesn't owe money to a very dangerous person.
If you're going to make a point, make one that is valid and factual. It's a secured BUSINESS loan, by the BUSINESS (not the person), secured by BUSINESS assets.
As for Soros; hang him.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Whether Trump's loan was a business deal or not, I would prefer that the guy in the White House does not owe George Soros $160 million.
Technically, the business borrowed the money and it's a loan secured against property.
I'd prefer Soros be hanged by the neck until dead, but if you're going to make a point at least trying making one that is valid and factual.
So would you consider a loan with a loan shark that's collateralized a good idea? Just because it was a business deal and just because collateral is involved doesn't mean the person doesn't owe money to a very dangerous person.
If you're going to make a point, make one that is valid and factual. It's a secured BUSINESS loan, by the BUSINESS (not the person), secured by BUSINESS assets.
As for Soros; hang him.
So as long as Donald is able to hide behind a corporate front, his loans are meaningless.
I retired from the Johns Manville asbestos pop tart factory in ‘59, and still never made the connection.—-Slumlord
Whether Trump's loan was a business deal or not, I would prefer that the guy in the White House does not owe George Soros $160 million.
Technically, the business borrowed the money and it's a loan secured against property.
I'd prefer Soros be hanged by the neck until dead, but if you're going to make a point at least trying making one that is valid and factual.
So would you consider a loan with a loan shark that's collateralized a good idea? Just because it was a business deal and just because collateral is involved doesn't mean the person doesn't owe money to a very dangerous person.
If you're going to make a point, make one that is valid and factual. It's a secured BUSINESS loan, by the BUSINESS (not the person), secured by BUSINESS assets.
As for Soros; hang him.
So as long as Donald is able to hide behind a corporate front, his loans are meaningless.
No, but there is a significant difference between a secured business loan and an unsecured "donation" to a political candidate or PAC, just as there is a significant difference between a collateral loan against personal assets and a campaign loan or contribution. Those, again, are facts and yet again those facts just trip you up.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
"Donald's actions are on the up and up, while everyone else is a sleazeball"
Keep pointing out your loan designations all day long.
Wrong.
I defended Cruz, who I voted for in our primary here, over his loan because the accusations were horsechit. The accusations on this loan are equally horsechit.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
"Donald's actions are on the up and up, while everyone else is a sleazeball"
Keep pointing out your loan designations all day long.
4ager could not have laid it out for you in a more simple fashion. Are you drunk, high, stupid or a combination?
Neither drunk nor high, and clearly more intelligent and clear thinking than you on these matters. Yet again, facts matter and yet again facts elude you.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
"Donald's actions are on the up and up, while everyone else is a sleazeball"
Keep pointing out your loan designations all day long.
4ager could not have laid it out for you in a more simple fashion. Are you drunk, high, stupid or a combination?
Neither drunk nor high, and clearly more intelligent and clear thinking than you on these matters. Yet again, facts matter and yet again facts elude you.
"Donald's actions are on the up and up, while everyone else is a sleazeball"
Keep pointing out your loan designations all day long.
4ager could not have laid it out for you in a more simple fashion. Are you drunk, high, stupid or a combination?
Neither drunk nor high, and clearly more intelligent and clear thinking than you on these matters. Yet again, facts matter and yet again facts elude you.
You might want to read that again.
I stand corrected. I saw his log in name and assumed he was swinging wildly again. Apologies, Chris.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Trump borrowed from Soros A. IDGAF, but we don't know the particulars, could have been a sweetheart deal or a straight up transaction. WE DONT KNOW. HE could have borrowed from someone else, so why Soros? WE DONT KNOW.
B. Cruz borrowed against HIS OWN MONEY. THAT MUCH WE KNOW. but that is your angle to crucify him and label hims as "owned", which is of course, total bullshit speculation C. Your posit that Cruz is "owned" by someone is an assumption on your part, yet your idol RP was not only "owned" (if we follow your Cruz logic he's a politician, ergo ALL are owned, but he made millions with his political schtick.
You're so consumed by this whole thing you refuse the see even the most obvious issues with Trump. They are both deeply flawed individuals who might, might, be corrupt, I dont know and you sure as hell don't either. Bottom line is I will VOTE for either one against the democrat and I know YOU by your own admission not only didnt vote in the last election, but you won't in this one either.
A. If you weren't either too lazy or too stupid to pull your own head outta your ass, you WOULD KNOW that Soros invested as one partner of many in a Trump real estate development project in Chicago. Soros invested according to his partnership share, and received distributions according to his share. That is all.
B. Bullshit. Again, you're either too stupid or too lazy to pull yor head outta your own ass. The Cruzer received a LOAN from GS, and used his and his wife's deposit account at GS for security for the LOAN. Now, WGAS if it's a loan or whatever, except that lyin Ted's BS story was "we invested every penny we had". The mark of a psychopath is that they choose to lie even when the truth would work. You probably also want to remain ignorant of the fact that the loan was illegal under campaign finance laws, since it involved an excessive donation from his wife in her half of the proceeds to the campaign, so make sure you DON'T KNOW that in the future. Some day when you grow up, we can discuss the put up job Heidi Faye was given by GS, just like the first wookie got at the hospital, and Hitlery got at the Rose law firm.
But this thread is about the Soros ownership of the Cruzer, not how much GS owns. Soros was the majority shareholder in Citibank at the time the Cruzer came on his knees for money. Ya see, nobody liked the carpetbagger Cruzer in Texas, either, so he desperately needed money for negative ads against his opponent. Problem was, he'd tapped out at GS. So, Soros gave the Cruzer between $500k and $1M (the Cruzer won't admit the exact amount) in an unsecured loan at 1.25% interest, with no payments due for 5 years.
$1 million.
Unsecured.
1.25% interest (that's $12,500/year)
No payments due for 5 years.
To a guy that was broke.
Happens all the time, I'm sure.
But remember *you* DON'T KNOW this, so it never happened.
I've linked the sources to all this info before, including the FEC disclosure form in the Cruzer's own handwriting, so you'll have to get off your lazy ass to verify everything is true.
C. That the Cruzer is owned is proven by the facts above, no assumptions needed, and RP has nothing to do with it.
You're so consumed by this whole thing you refuse to (sic) see even the most obvious issues with the Cruzer.
You'll be amazed how bright everything looks with your head outta your ass.
Trump borrowed from Soros A. IDGAF, but we don't know the particulars, could have been a sweetheart deal or a straight up transaction. WE DONT KNOW. HE could have borrowed from someone else, so why Soros? WE DONT KNOW.
B. Cruz borrowed against HIS OWN MONEY. THAT MUCH WE KNOW. but that is your angle to crucify him and label hims as "owned", which is of course, total bullshit speculation C. Your posit that Cruz is "owned" by someone is an assumption on your part, yet your idol RP was not only "owned" (if we follow your Cruz logic he's a politician, ergo ALL are owned, but he made millions with his political schtick.
You're so consumed by this whole thing you refuse the see even the most obvious issues with Trump. They are both deeply flawed individuals who might, might, be corrupt, I dont know and you sure as hell don't either. Bottom line is I will VOTE for either one against the democrat and I know YOU by your own admission not only didnt vote in the last election, but you won't in this one either.
A. If you weren't either too lazy or too stupid to pull your own head outta your ass, you WOULD KNOW that Soros invested as one partner of many in a Trump real estate development project in Chicago. Soros invested according to his partnership share, and received distributions according to his share. That is all.
B. Bullshit. Again, you're either too stupid or too lazy to pull yor head outta your own ass. The Cruzer received a LOAN from GS, and used his and his wife's deposit account at GS for security for the LOAN. Now, WGAS if it's a loan or whatever, except that lyin Ted's BS story was "we invested every penny we had". The mark of a psychopath is that they choose to lie even when the truth would work. You probably also want to remain ignorant of the fact that the loan was illegal under campaign finance laws, since it involved an excessive donation from his wife in her half of the proceeds to the campaign, so make sure you DON'T KNOW that in the future. Some day when you grow up, we can discuss the put up job Heidi Faye was given by GS, just like the first wookie got at the hospital, and Hitlery got at the Rose law firm.
But this thread is about the Soros ownership of the Cruzer, not how much GS owns. Soros was the majority shareholder in Citibank at the time the Cruzer came on his knees for money. Ya see, nobody liked the carpetbagger Cruzer in Texas, either, so he desperately needed money for negative ads against his opponent. Problem was, he'd tapped out at GS. So, Soros gave the Cruzer between $500k and $1M (the Cruzer won't admit the exact amount) in an unsecured loan at 1.25% interest, with no payments due for 5 years.
$1 million.
Unsecured.
1.25% interest (that's $12,500/year)
No payments due for 5 years.
To a guy that was broke.
Happens all the time, I'm sure.
But remember *you* DON'T KNOW this, so it never happened.
I've linked the sources to all this info before, including the FEC disclosure form in the Cruzer's own handwriting, so you'll have to get off your lazy ass to verify everything is true.
C. That the Cruzer is owned is proven by the facts above, no assumptions needed, and RP has nothing to do with it.
You're so consumed by this whole thing you refuse to (sic) see even the most obvious issues with the Cruzer.
You'll be amazed how bright everything looks with your head outta your ass.
What patriotic American would ever do business with a scumbag socialist who's life mission is to destroy America???
Seriously guys, I friggin had to ask that question?
Ever borrowed money from Bank of America? Goldman Sachs? Wachovia? The list gets damned long if you want to start down that path, and given Cruz's borrowing from Citibank and others, if you're going to paint with that broad a brush, especially in spite of facts, you'll end up covering your own messiah as well.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
So as long as Donald is able to hide behind a corporate front, his loans are meaningless.
Exactly my point. No associations matter as long as it's for business.
Which is to say that you have no valid point because the facts stand in opposition to your position.
The Trump/Cruz cheerleaders on this site are absolutely ridiculous; all of them.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Technically, the business borrowed the money and it's a loan secured against property.
You don't know that unless you have access to the loan document. It could be unsecured or secured by future sales or any manner of valid consideration.
But let's say it is secured and secured by property. It's very likely that Trump owns that property and is directing the purpose of the funds loaned. That puts him in control of the funds, not the property securing the loan, and the resulting obligation for payment is his. The loan benefits Trump, not the security, if any exists.
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if you're going to make a point at least trying making one that is valid and factual.
You, too.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Well, duh!. No one said Soros wanted Trump to win. In fact, I've been saying all along the lieberals don't plan on his winning, just ginning up the lemmings, like you, to get all gaga over his rants, and killing any chance for a conservative to win. Snatching impossible victory out of the jaws of certain defeat, and you and Bob are just the snatch's to help them do it.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
First, FOAD, and if the loan was indeed illegal, why has he not been charged. The OP stated "Trump got a loan from Soros" not an investment. Bottom line is Cruz' loan was against his own money. And you of course have all these confidential sources saying so. Maybe you're right, but the undeniable fact is Trump received a loan from Soros. No big deal, and if you think Soros "owns" Cruz, I'll chalk you up to the "I love the poorly educated wing" of the Trump supporters... And as far as liars, THEY ALL LIE as in "the bible is my favorite book" and "I was against the Iraq" war etc. not to mention the whole lie about Cruz and those women. Look, I hope I'm wrong about Trump and I will vote for him no matter what, but don't sit there and tell me he's the second coming cause he isnt'
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Well, duh!. No one said Soros wanted Trump to win.
That was the implication when people started pointed out that Soros and Trump were in cahoots.
What other purpose could it have?
Anybody that believes that is an idiot.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Hillary Clinton- Soros donated $8 million to the Clinton super PAC and He has given millions to the Clinton Foundation.
Bernie Sanders- The Soros front group MoveOn.org has endorsed Sanders in the election.
Donald Trump- Soros loaned Trump $160 million dollars for a development project.
John Kasich- Soros gave about $600,000 to Kasich's super PAC.
Anyone know of other examples?
Trump's business loan doesn't have anything to do with the other campaign donations you listed.
One is a business loan. The others are campaign donations.
This is the kind of dishonesty that has turned many people off on the Cruz supporters.
If MSNBC can pull s*** off as well as you, we're in big heep o'trouble.
You've got it completely backwards.
The MSM has been in attack mode against Trump since day one. Consequently, the Cruz supporters have a never-ending stream of crap to parrot against Trump and most of them seem all too eager to do so.
As with the OP's suggestion that Soros plays a hand in the election of Donald Trump.
The MSM is way more afraid of Ted than they are of Trump. The abortion deal is top tier for them. My ex is from New York, and Ted can make her say some s*** I'd never heard before.
I retired from the Johns Manville asbestos pop tart factory in ‘59, and still never made the connection.—-Slumlord
An amazing amount of stupidity, compressed into such a small space.
Felt bad earlier for makin you look so stupid, but after this post I realized I can't take the credit, as you do so well for yourself.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
First, FOAD, and if the loan was indeed illegal, why has he not been charged.
Same reason as Hitlery - they're both useful liberal tools.
The OP stated "Trump got a loan from Soros" not an investment.
The OP is a moron, just like you. Just cause he "stated" something is irrelevant, unless you're a menstrual Cruzzie that automatically believes anything a fellow Cruzzie posts.
Soros never loaned Trump anything. His investment group invested as partners in the Trump Tower in Chicago.
"The investor trio is led by Fortress Investment Group LLC, according to a financing statement filed Oct. 19 with the Cook County recorder's office.
The document does not identify the other participants, but a key member is Grove Capital LLP, according to sources familiar with the transaction.
The firm manages most of the multibillion-dollar real estate portfolio of the $13 billion Soros Fund Management, from which Grove Capital was spun off last month."
Bottom line is Cruz' loan was against his own money. And you of course have all these confidential sources saying so.
The Cruzer's loan was secured by his and his wife's balance in an investment account, just like a home loan is secured by the real property, just like I said.
Maybe you're right, but the undeniable fact is Trump received a loan from Soros.
You've let your emotional Cruzzie side out again. You can't just make up facts because you want them to be true in the real world, pumpkin. See Above for the truth.
No big deal, and if you think Soros "owns" Cruz, I'll chalk you up to the "I love the poorly educated wing" of the Trump supporters...
Why would I care what an idiot like you thinks? But hey, it's all about you, pumpkin.
And as far as liars, THEY ALL LIE as in "the bible is my favorite book" and "I was against the Iraq" war etc.
It's a good thing you realize the Cruzer is a liar, but projecting his faults on everyone else just reinforces your image as an emotional Cruzzie.
not to mention the whole lie about Cruz and those women.
At least one affair has been verified, and has a substantial amount of proof behind it. The media is not reporting the truth because the Cruzer is helping them try and stop DT. When that's over, you'll see the true reporting come out.
There once was a loser named Ted
Who took other women to bed
He chewed on their muffins, and
Did a 'lil stuffin
And now his campaign is dead
Look, I hope I'm wrong about Trump
You're just as right as you've been about everything else, so go with it.
and I will vote for him no matter what, but don't sit there and tell me he's the second coming cause he isnt'
No one's claimed any special divinity for Trump, but I know deep down inside you probably feel he's your type.
The MSM is way more afraid of Ted than they are of Trump. The abortion deal is top tier for them. My ex is from New York, and Ted can make her say some s*** I'd never heard before.
Yep, that is why they spend so much time and money trying to tear him down...oh wait.
Heidi Cruz made her "bones" way before GS and to say she was given that job because of her husband is pure conjecture on your part. Her record is impressive, but if you want to say she got the job because she was a political hack to the Rs, that is certainly not beyond the realm of probability, but given Cruz' reputation prior to running to say she got the job just because she was married to him just doesn't fly.
On the loan again to say Ted has not been charged because he has the media on his side exceeds the bounds of absurdity.
Nobody believes, Soros loaned monies directly to Trump, and especially close to ten years ago but here you go: The funder of all things unholy also funded the Trump Tower in Chicago. According to the Chicago Tribune:
Donald Trump has lined up three New York hedge funds, including money from billionaire George Soros, to invest $160 million in his Chicago skyscraper, a key piece in perhaps the largest construction financing in the city's history, according to real estate sources and public documents.
Soros gave Donald Trump a mezzanine loan, which is basically a bailout, because Trump didn’t want to, or couldn’t, front his own money to build the Chicago Trump Tower. Mezzanine loans are loans offered with outrageous interest that help the developer on the front end of finance, and which often offer a stake in the building.
There are other sites, specifically one called "The Carolina Cowboy" which sounds verbatim where you got your info, but the bottom line is this; NEITHER Trump NOR Cruz did anything wrong to secure these loans and that is what I was trying to convey, but obviously it went over your head. You cited sources and I cited sources. You believe one side and I believe neither.
And BTW as again you missed it, the bible and Iraq war comments were Trump's. And to anyone that's read my posts, I've hammered on Cruz as well. I think both are deeply flawed candidates. stupidity has a new meaning, it's called not being a zealot. And closet, I must have 100 posts (at least) saying I'm voting for Trump, and especially at the convention if I was a delegate.
Oh, and I'm going to write this guys in:
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