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Why don't they let it burn? There is nothing better for wildlife than seasonal fires. It's natures way.
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Rockin---You are a level headed guy and one I respect but you are way in over head on this one. I guarndamntee you that fighting a fire in steep rugged mountainous terrain is a little more than most volunteer fire departments are up for and a hell of a lot different than a shed fire in BillyTom Texas. They do supplement professional wildland firefighters but are not the tip of the spear. As to your bake sale "idea", in case you were serious and not just spitballing great ideas, get on it. Once you've sold about a $500,000,000 of brownies then you'll be ready to start. Just remember you're going to have to do that each year. Lemonade sales at western firecamps might get help out with your bottom line. We'll build a continuous 50 foot high wall across southern Texas before bake sales and raffles will fund wild fires. Usually, the fundraisers they have here are damn good BBQ's.  Been to several of them. I bet. I've heard Texas bbq is the best and most Texas men know how to cook. 👍
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quote=ltppowell]Why don't they let it burn? There is nothing better for wildlife than seasonal fires. It's natures way. [/quote]
and take out people's homes, natural resources, power lines, ect?
yea, good idea...
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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Why don't they let it burn? There is nothing better for wildlife than seasonal fires. It's natures way. I wish they would. Politics and money being at the head.
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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quote=ltppowell]Why don't they let it burn? There is nothing better for wildlife than seasonal fires. It's natures way. and take out people's homes, natural resources, power lines, ect? yea, good idea... [/quote] There are a lot of areas that could be left to burn but aren't. I personally would like to see a lot more selective logging and thinning but since our timber isn't worth squat it's not cost effective to helicopter log it.
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Why don't they let it burn? There is nothing better for wildlife than seasonal fires. It's natures way. and take out people's homes, natural resources, power lines, ect? yea, good idea... There are a lot of areas that could be left to burn but aren't. I personally would like to see a lot more selective logging and thinning but since our timber isn't worth squat it's not cost effective to helicopter log it. yea, but in the lower 48, all big fires will have to be stopped somewhere. logging is a useful management tool.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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There would be far, far less numbers of huge forest fires as we have seen in recent years, if the forest were managed properly, and logging and clearing of brush were allowed. You have no [bleep] idea the sheer scope of what you are attempting to speak. Really. You cannot imagine.
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There would be far, far less numbers of huge forest fires as we have seen in recent years, if the forest were managed properly, and logging and clearing of brush were allowed. You have no [bleep] idea the sheer scope of what you are attempting to speak. Really. You cannot imagine. It's obvious every public land thread, NONE of these guys from the East have a clue.
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There would be far, far less numbers of huge forest fires as we have seen in recent years, if the forest were managed properly, and logging and clearing of brush were allowed. You have no [bleep] idea the sheer scope of what you are attempting to speak. Really. You cannot imagine. Smarten up. Jeffo Everyone isn't quite as stupid as you. I have enough fuggin' smarts to not support gun control.
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Our forests are mismanaged terribly and that's a major contributing factor to the size and scope of modern wild fires. The courts, greenies and other contributing factors are to blame for the mismanagement. Modern day "foresters" are a joke. The guys I know are the old school BTDT types but the new ones are fat ass lesbians that while they've been deep in the bush have never seen a forest.
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National Forest Service was responsible for much of the mismanagement.
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Our forests are mismanaged terribly and that's a major contributing factor to the size and scope of modern wild fires. The courts, greenies and other contributing factors are to blame for the mismanagement. Modern day "foresters" are a joke. The guys I know are the old school BTDT types but the new ones are fat ass lesbians that while they've been deep in the bush have never seen a forest. That's my experience too. Often times, to be fair, the USFS is held hostage by lawsuits from the greenies.
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Rockin--I completely agree. The forest circus makes plenty of WTF are you thinking decisions but they are often caught in the middle.
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Right.
Have you figured in how much more money would come in to local governments if permit fees are charged for industry that cannot get permits now on federal lands?
Or how many local residents would be able to go to work in those industries?
Communism equals suppression.
Capitalism equals growth and strong economy.
All the states that are mostly, or close to mostly federal lands are always about two hairs away from bankruptcy, waiting for the next government rescue check.
While the states that support themselves and pay taxes are the ones footing the bills for them.
Wonder why? I guess "supporting themselves" doesn't include fire suppression? It appears "we" are supporting a large portion of Teaxs' fire suppression. Click on Texas and scroll down to fire management. https://www.fema.gov/disasters/grid/state-tribal-government
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Our forests are mismanaged terribly and that's a major contributing factor to the size and scope of modern wild fires. The courts, greenies and other contributing factors are to blame for the mismanagement. Modern day "foresters" are a joke. The guys I know are the old school BTDT types but the new ones are fat ass lesbians that while they've been deep in the bush have never seen a forest. That's my experience too. Often times, to be fair, the USFS is held hostage by lawsuits from the greenies. This^^ I was standing with my grandfather when they handed him the sese and desist order over the spotted owl.
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Is firefighting hike and horseback only in roadless areas?
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Is firefighting hike and horseback only in roadless areas?
They drop firefighters, water and retardant from aerial assets. But yeah...
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Serious question.
Do you that want lands to go to state control really think that the special interest groups that have helped create many of the mismanagement practices are just going to go away?
I think it would worsen.
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Our forests are mismanaged terribly and that's a major contributing factor to the size and scope of modern wild fires. The courts, greenies and other contributing factors are to blame for the mismanagement. Modern day "foresters" are a joke. The guys I know are the old school BTDT types but the new ones are fat ass lesbians that while they've been deep in the bush have never seen a forest. Holy [bleep] that made me laugh.
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