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If/when one is prepared to make that kind of INVESTMENT on a British double, the seller should agree to a third party inspection (like George Caswell of Champlin Arms) or another reputable double gun dealer. If the seller declines, then PASS. Unless of course you can "steal" it for a ridiculously low price, then spend the coin to restore it. Thanks. I've heard of Champlin Arms but am not familiar with Mr. Caswell. May have to look into it when the time comes. How would that work -- have the seller ship it to Champlin for appraisal?
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There's a PH model in .470 NE listed on GB right now for $7895 and no reserve. Also no bidders. And it's been on there for quite some time. I understand that "new" costs more, but that seems to be a substantial premium. It would seem to make more sense to buy used, unless there's something else in play here which I am missing. One concern that I would have with any of the smaller companies involves availability of future service. The big firms (Merkel, Krieghoff, Westley Richards, etc) should be suitably staffed to make repairs. What happens when Butch Searcy retires someday? Will there be someone available to repair the rifle? Will the company still exist? I tried to contact Searcy & Co to ask that very question (on a used rifle which I was considering); several phone messages left and emails sent but never returned.
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If/when one is prepared to make that kind of INVESTMENT on a British double, the seller should agree to a third party inspection (like George Caswell of Champlin Arms) or another reputable double gun dealer. If the seller declines, then PASS. Unless of course you can "steal" it for a ridiculously low price, then spend the coin to restore it. Thanks. I've heard of Champlin Arms but am not familiar with Mr. Caswell. May have to look into it when the time comes. How would that work -- have the seller ship it to Champlin for appraisal? In this case, you would pay for Champlin to have the gun looked over for condition. Do your research with Champlin and other double gun purveyors and see what they are bringing. Also, you might want to post this over on AccurateReloading.com on their doubles forum.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Thanks, JorgeI. For some reason I was unable to view Champlin's website a couple of months ago and thought that they had gone out of business. Perhaps they were updating the site or maybe it was just an electrical gremlin. But now that it's working again, I see the info on Mr. Caswell.
Also went to the Accurate Reloading website that you mentioned; that should provide me with reading for quite some time!
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Yep, they are the best site for African Hunting in general and pretty good for double guns too. Seek out a writer over there (he also posts here, albeit infrequesntly( named Cal Pappas. He is very savvy on doubles.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
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If that didn't have that damn underlever I'd buy it today, and I don't need a 470 Nitro.
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Here's a good working rifle.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/gun-library/buda-gun-library%7C/pc/103792680/c/105930180/b-searcy-double-rifle-in-470-nitro-express/2150781.uts?destination=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId%3D105930180
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If that didn't have that damn underlever I'd buy it today, and I don't need a 470 Nitro. Don't be that way Gunner. Hammers and the Jones underlever are cool. I have two shotguns with them and just bought a Heym with hammers and the Jones in 500 BPE....should give the Taylor some competition.
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If that didn't have that damn underlever I'd buy it today, and I don't need a 470 Nitro. Don't be that way Gunner. Hammers and the Jones underlever are cool. I have two shotguns with them and just bought a Heym with hammers and the Jones in 500 BPE....should give the Taylor some competition. Hammers, yes, I have a top lever sidelock hammer rifle in 303 British, I prefer those above all others, just can't get by the underlevers, and I've tried dearly. We NEED to see pics of that hammer Heym.
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Damn y'all are old, I'll be 67 in July..
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I found it at the Southern SXS shoot last weekend in NC. I found a nice Fox CE straight grip (rare on a Fox) 32 inch first so the Heym just got a deposit and I'll pick it up at the next shoot in June.
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I found it at the Southern SXS shoot last weekend in NC. I found a nice Fox CE straight grip (rare on a Fox) 32 inch first so the Heym just got a deposit and I'll pick it up at the next shoot in June. Will be looking forward to seeing the pics, must be a real beauty.
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I had the double-rifle 'fever' a few years ago. Ended up going the 'conversion' method - J.P Sauer 12ga SxS converted to 450/400 NE 3". Gun shoots and regulates well, but needs some final touches. One of these days when I decide to fully divest myself of any rifle over .375 bore dia, or with "Magnum" in the caliner nomenclature, it'll find a new home
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
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I just found a Heym in 500 BPE complete with Jones under lever, stalking safeties and external hammers. It's a fun gun to shoot and I'll test her out deer season.
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Here is a poor mans double I got to play with last week. Not mine but it sure is a nice piece. A .577 Nitro Heym
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I don't know any poor men like that , nice piece, would that be a Heym Jumbo in 577? Very nice, bet it shoots well too.
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I guess it is actually a 88B large frame in 577 nitro with a few extra options like the elephant lever, case hardening, the sights etc.. So, I'm told. If you can't afford one (like me) it is awful nice having a friend that shares. At $25 a round he doesn't share too much but a couple of rounds gives you all you really want.
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Is there still a magazine that emphasizes double guns?
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