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So you shoot three critters and suddenly you know all about Accubonds? I've shot more than three animals with AccuBonds. Just three elk. And the 150g AB did not impress. I fully expected an exit on a neck shot. And no,I don't know "all about" AccuBonds or any other bullet for that matter. I do know I trust North Fork SS more than Nosler AB. As I do Swift AF, Federal TB and Barnes MRX/TTSX.
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So you shoot three critters and suddenly you know all about Accubonds? I've shot more than three animals with AccuBonds. Just three elk. And the 150g AB did not impress. I fully expected an exit on a neck shot. And no,I don't know "all about" AccuBonds or any other bullet for that matter. I do know I trust North Fork SS more than Nosler AB. As I do Swift AF, Federal TB and Barnes MRX/TTSX. Ok so you picked a bullet that opens decently wide, with a relatively low SD, and shot a large animal in the neck, which is some of the densest tissue in the body. Right.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Ok so you picked a bullet that opens decently wide, with a relatively low SD, and shot a large animal in the neck, which is some of the densest tissue in the body. Right.
Yes, and as I said, at 282 yards I fully anticipated the 150g/.308” AB would exit on a neck shot. Impact velocity and energy calculate out to about 2542fps and 2152fpe. That is considerably more than a .30-30/150g can muster at the muzzle. A bullet’s starting SD is much overrated in my book – once bullets expand a difference in mass of 10-15g makes remarkably little difference. For example, here are the SD values for four bullets expanded to 0.5”: .080 = 140g .086 = 150g .091 = 160g .094 = 165g I’ve driven 7mm/140g NF ham-to–sternum on buck mulie. That bullet passed through a grass-filled gut, which isn’t exactly fluff. It took me 20 years of shooting elk to recover a 7mm/160g GS and that one had destroyed both shoulder joints of a 5x5 bull before coming to rest peeking out of the bone on the far side. I have recovered a couple of .308”/165g NF from elk but they also encountered heavy bone before coming to a stop under the hide on the off side. As to MRX/TTSX, I have yet to recover one in any weight and my hunting buddy has never recovered a TB. My hunting buddy has also taken both a 5x5 bull and a cow with neck shots using a 160g GS. The one on the bull took out a section of spine and both exited. I guess I was just expecting too much out of the 150g AB.
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Well as irrelevant as you think SD might be, I've blown several 180 AB's through various part of bull elk and never found one. I think your results would have been different with a heavier bullet.
About the only bullet that seems impervious to lack of SD is Barnes, and even they are probably subject to the rule if I could find game big enough to shoot with them.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Well as irrelevant as you think SD might be, I've blown several 180 AB's through various part of bull elk and never found one. I think your results would have been different with a heavier bullet.
About the only bullet that seems impervious to lack of SD is Barnes, and even they are probably subject to the rule if I could find game big enough to shoot with them. I agree a heavier bullet might (and probably would) have done better. Unfortunately I didn't have a heavier load developed and thought 150g would be fine. Normally I run 165g NF and -168g TTSX in my .30-06s and have never had a problem with penetration.
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I'm a one gun guy. That gun is a WBY MarkV Alaskan in 300wby mag. If I'm hunting Elk I use the WBY factory 180gr Nosler Partitions and if I'm Deer hunting I drop it down to the 150gr Partitions. No complaints for a the last 20+ years and it's hard to believe it's been that long!
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Ok so you picked a bullet that opens decently wide, with a relatively low SD, and shot a large animal in the neck, which is some of the densest tissue in the body. Right.
Yes, and as I said, at 282 yards I fully anticipated the 150g/.308” AB would exit on a neck shot. Impact velocity and energy calculate out to about 2542fps and 2152fpe. That is considerably more than a .30-30/150g can muster at the muzzle. A bullet’s starting SD is much overrated in my book – once bullets expand a difference in mass of 10-15g makes remarkably little difference. For example, here are the SD values for four bullets expanded to 0.5”: .080 = 140g .086 = 150g .091 = 160g .094 = 165g I’ve driven 7mm/140g NF ham-to–sternum on buck mulie. That bullet passed through a grass-filled gut, which isn’t exactly fluff. It took me 20 years of shooting elk to recover a 7mm/160g GS and that one had destroyed both shoulder joints of a 5x5 bull before coming to rest peeking out of the bone on the far side. I have recovered a couple of .308”/165g NF from elk but they also encountered heavy bone before coming to a stop under the hide on the off side. As to MRX/TTSX, I have yet to recover one in any weight and my hunting buddy has never recovered a TB. My hunting buddy has also taken both a 5x5 bull and a cow with neck shots using a 160g GS. The one on the bull took out a section of spine and both exited. I guess I was just expecting too much out of the 150g AB. I've driven a 140g 7mm ballistic tip stem to stern through a muley buck. Not bad for a bullet 75% cheaper than a BT.
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I'm a one gun guy. That gun is a WBY MarkV Alaskan in 300wby mag. If I'm hunting Elk I use the WBY factory 180gr Nosler Partitions and if I'm Deer hunting I drop it down to the 150gr Partitions. No complaints for a the last 20+ years and it's hard to believe it's been that long! That sounds like a pretty deadly combo to me.
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I'm a one gun guy. That gun is a WBY MarkV Alaskan in 300wby mag. If I'm hunting Elk I use the WBY factory 180gr Nosler Partitions and if I'm Deer hunting I drop it down to the 150gr Partitions. No complaints for a the last 20+ years and it's hard to believe it's been that long! Wow- this thread has now returned to Earth, after leaving orbit and circling the moon several times.......
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Ok so now guys: push feed or CRF?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I've driven a 140g 7mm ballistic tip stem to stern through a muley buck. Not bad for a bullet 75% cheaper than a BT.
Just curious - what was the range and MV or impact velocity?
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Range was 200 yards from a 280 remington. 3150fps at the muzzle iirc.
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Range was 200 yards from a 280 remington. 3150fps at the muzzle iirc. 26" barrel?
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55gr of RL19, Norma case, and Federal 210 GMM primer.
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I should add that the above mentioned mule deer was shot in 1998.
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55gr of RL19, Norma case, and Federal 210 GMM primer. Just double checking: The Alliant Reloader Guide shows 59gr of RL19 gives 2962FPS, and you are getting 3150fps with 55gr?
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