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Missouri has a sales tax for conservation department. They literally have more money than they can spend. They have no need for high tag prices. Residents fund them.
Dink So your state is coercing a whole bunch of residents and nonresidents who have no interest in wildlife, to subsidize you. Got it.
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State Fish and Game don't consider hunting and fishing a sport, to them it is a business and they will charge what the market will bear. If people start going to other states to hunt the price of their license will come down but as long as people pay their prices the higher the license price with increase over time. Quit looking at these State Game organizations as a sport and start looking at them as a business and then you will understand the high cost of hunting there. It is all about revenue and nothing else. Pay the prices or hunt your own state, it is as simple as that.
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Idaho is very similar to MT in all of this. Some years ago ID was forced to take on wolf management with all the funds coming out of the fish & game budget. If there was any federal money in the deal, I sure never heard about it. Easterners forced the wolves on us so they can pay the high non-res fees to support them.
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Game and Fish departments have been paying their bills on the back of non-residents forever. The only way to change it, is to quit paying for the licenses. That will not happen because people don't mind throwing asinine amounts of money at them for some reason.
It sure has precluded a lot of people from hunting out-of-state, though. Hunting, like everything else it seems, is becoming a sport for the money endowed. I have been on a number of out-of-state hunts, but my ability to do so is definitely waning.
Also, if I want a whole safe full of rifles to play with, so be it. At least it is something tangible and not just throwing money at a vacation in the woods. That should not even be in the conversation about hunting out-of-state.
If I had to make a choice between hunting and buying a new truck, if my truck was old and worn out, it would be a no-brainer. You need a good vehicle to go into remote hunting areas, so as not to be stranded.
You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it. A "creek" has water in it, a "crick" is what you get in your neck. Liberals with guns are nothing but hypocrites.
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Being a resident of Colorado for the last 36 years, I think non-residents should have to pay a lot more for Colorado hunting and fishing tags.
Getting a new car registered in Colorado can cost you close to a $1000.00 a year (for a $40,000.00 car). In Ohio it costs about $30.00 bucks. So residents should get a break on something, since we are sure getting screwed on taxes and fees by the liberal legislators.
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Also, if I want a whole safe full of rifles to play with, so be it. At least it is something tangible and not just throwing money at a vacation in the woods. Too funny.
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a vacation in the woods?
I've got to stop working my ass off hunting--vacation is getting back to work...:)
Desired anticipated experiences are a far rarer thing than a collection of tangible goods...we leave everything behind eventually.
The horns on the wall each tell a story back to me...shared with kids and friends, so much the better.
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Also, if I want a whole safe full of rifles to play with, so be it. At least it is something tangible and not just throwing money at a vacation in the woods. Too funny. It is too funny. No wonder it take 75 pages on here to figure out what caliber kills what...no body hunts.
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No I am tired of western states wanting welfare type hand outs. Just look at some of the post in this thread, were poor, we don't make median income, wages aren't good, etc. I hear the same thing from people that get a check on the third of every month that they don't deserve.
Montana resident youth elk and deer tag cost $18. For a non-resident youth it cost $505. That's shameful.
Of course I read the residents were plenty mad when game and fish wanted a 20% increase a few years ago.
Resident don't deserve cheap hunting on federal lands anymore than any other US citizen. I pay my share of taxes just like everyone else.
Dink Come out and hunt upland birds with your kids. Don't you run pointers? I have talked about coming out and only hunting birds for years. It's something I should I have done years ago when my dogs were in their prime. Like all boys my sons want to kill big game. Dink
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Prices still need to be raised more to keep out Southern/Eastern trash.
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Precisely why states set the hunting regulations and not the feds Feds should manage it, it's their lands. I can see why all the westerners love their welfare though.
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That's right. I'm going to get my food stamps right now.
I forget, was any federal money used to rebuild after Katrina?
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MT is 49th on the list when it comes to wages.
Come live here and then start bitching about the welfare(and the fuucking weather......whiny soft, puzzies anyway).
It's actually quite lower than most other states.
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Hell, there's probably more people on welfare in Louisiana than the entire population of Montana.
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Other than the rare massive forest fire I think MT is a pretty low maintenance state.
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Yeah, it's not like the Corps of Engineers had to spend $15 billion to keep your largest city from flooding.
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DINK,
Here's you, on this thread: "The tag price doesn't pizz me off as much as how those tag prices got to be that high."
So would you be happy if Montana rolled the non-resident license price back to, say, 1969?
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Missouri has a sales tax for conservation department. They literally have more money than they can spend. They have no need for high tag prices. Residents fund them.
Dink That's nice. BUT... Missouri has 6 million residents to Montana's 1 million. Montana is 147,000 Square Miles to Missouri's 70,000. Soooo, Missouri has 5X's the population and less than half of Montana's landmass. Not to mention Motnana's Big Game species are significantly more diverse and difficult to manage. And you think yours is an intelligent argument?
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Precisely why states set the hunting regulations and not the feds Feds should manage it, it's their lands. I can see why all the westerners love their welfare though. Obviously you can see why as you took full advantage of it when you were in AK.
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Prices still need to be raised more to keep out Southern/Eastern trash. Like wise......
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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