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Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad #11195214 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Lost here, anybody have a clue as to whether or not this system has any provision for INTERNAL adjustment, or am I stuck with modifying the "turret Mounts ?" A buddy got the setup from Sarco 3 -4 year ago, no brochure or SFA. I' helped him today, getting the mounts half azz leveled, and bore sighting for windage than became a snap,....dammit, no shooting today, the scope is needing to come up in the front,(doable, at the threshold of some weird mods),...or down at it's back, which don't look promising at all. Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195215 05/19/16
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Shims? Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195229 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	The rectangular piece .... This gizmo seems to... A.) Focus the scope ????? B.) damn sure MOVES the vert and horiz. very Germanic three point reticle when you start fooling with it. As far as I can see, the little "lock screw laying horizontally behind the elevation wheel looks to be simply for locking things down , once dialed in. 1000 Meters ?,....yeah, ...sure. Okay Guys and Gals, I'm sure that one of you will have a handle on this beast, I sure as hell don't. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195233 05/19/16
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	GTC, you come up with the coolest schit... Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195236 05/19/16
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,169 Likes: 14 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,169 Likes: 14 In the Swamps	Greg, Appears to be a wonder from another time to me. I'd vote for shims, something I've done for more than a few sights over the years. Have a small stock of brass ranging from .003" upward, mostly in increments of .005". Source was the local hobby store for my stash, might find some in a craft store, not certain of that. The .003" stuff is about as rigid as aluminum foil, which might be another source to consider. It all cuts easy with good scissors. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

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Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195240 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Aha, attack of the optics forum techno-weenies If either one of you NASA types can send me over a "shim" at LEAST 1/4 inch thick, I'd be eternally grateful. GTC Last edited by crossfireoops; 05/19/16. Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195244 05/19/16
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	THAT much? Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195247 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Any and all provision for wind is up to the shooter, from what I can see,....all the windage hoo-ya's in the rear mount itself. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195249 05/19/16
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne M Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter
Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne	Take it out & shoot it...at range.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad 4ager #11195257 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by 4ager THAT much? WAY way out Sean, at least that much.... GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

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Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195260 05/19/16
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Holy crap. All I can figure is someone slapped on mounts that aren't kosher to the rifle. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195265 05/19/16
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,731 T TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter
TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,731	Looks like the elevation is in the scope, and the windage is in the rear mount.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195269 05/19/16
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,731 T TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter
TBREW401 Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 8,731	Buy a Leupold?

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad Middlefork_Miner #11195279 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner Take it out & shoot it...at range. I'm BORESIGHTING the rifle on fence posts, power poles, and transformers that I've performed the same exercise with at least a coupla' hundred times. I don't need to "TRY" chit to "see where it's hitting", I KNOW. where it's going to hit, at this time,.... GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad TBREW401 #11195282 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by TBREW401 Looks like the elevation is in the scope, and the windage is in the rear mount. Exactomente, Gracias ! GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195287 05/19/16
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger
4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453	Originally Posted by crossfireoops Originally Posted by TBREW401 Looks like the elevation is in the scope, and the windage is in the rear mount. Exactomente, Gracias ! GTC The problem is the mounts are so FUBAR as to render the elevation in the scope useless. Sorry, GTC, but someone had to state the obvious. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195312 05/19/16
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,667 NW Nevada GunGeek Campfire Ranger
GunGeek Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,667 NW Nevada	The way it was originally done was by filing the rear mount to correct elevation. You won't find shims on actual wartime sniper 98k's.

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195323 05/19/16
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,576 Likes: 8 KCMO F Fubarski Campfire Outfitter
Fubarski Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,576 Likes: 8 KCMO	MAYBE, JUST MAYBE: - You loosen the two set screws on the top. - Then, you rotate either the entire circle, or the "handle" until you've zeroed elev @ 100m. - The reticle will probably not remain centered, because they move for elevation changes, but that's OK. - retighten the two set screws on top. - When you're "on" @ 100m, loosen the set screw and set the ranging dial to the proper spot, then retighten the set screw on the side. MAYBE

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad Fubarski #11195330 05/19/16
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by Fubarski MAYBE, JUST MAYBE: - You loosen the two set screws on the top. - Then, you rotate either the entire circle, or the "handle" until you've zeroed elev @ 100m. - The reticle will probably not remain centered, because they move for elevation changes, but that's OK. - retighten the two set screws on top. - When you're "on" @ 100m, loosen the set screw and set the ranging dial to the proper spot, then retighten the set screw on the side. MAYBE The mounts do INDEED need a little more hand fitting / bedding, and the lower rings will damn sure need lapping,....BUT I do think that something along the order of what you're suggesting is possible,..... Danke ! GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Achtung ! Back to Stalingrad crossfireoops #11195334 05/19/16
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,048 A sandy knoll, Archerhunter Campfire Ranger
Archerhunter Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,048 A sandy knoll,	Are those peep through holes under the scope? How do they align with point of impact? Interesting puzzle you have there. Shims are not the answer. BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG! PERVERTS OFFEND ME! "When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!" ---- 4 yr old Archerhuntress

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