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It's just good to be able to elk hunting isn't it? Thankfully, I don't have to use a spear.
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A wise man is frequently humbled.
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Being from Iowa I don't go elk hunting every year but have one planned for '18. And I have a 300B and like it and it will go but I am taking my 6.25 lb .284 (scoped)and it will probably be my primary.
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I'm pretty sure the perennial straw man creator, Coyote Hunter, was the one who started throwing recoil tolerance into the mix on this thread.
He doesn't own a 300 WBY, so it cannot be considered a viable elk round, much less "nothing better" as the thread title states.
Of course, if he owned one, it would be the best choice and he would slouch down to peck out 16 paragraphs in every post about how it is the absolute ultimate elk round and nothing else should be considered. Does your mother know she raised a fool? When determining the 'best' of anything you have to take individual preferences and capabilities into account. The OP has this to say about the .300WBY: "High but manageable recoil..." "Almost unlimited bullet selection..." "widely universal availability of factory ammo" "Why undergun yourself with lesser armament...? "or overrun yourself with higher recoil?" There are plenty of people who can't handle the recoil of a .30-06, let alone a .300 WBY. Many people would consider the lower recoil to be a significant advantage for other cartridges with recoil they can actually manage. For reloaders, bullet selection is the same as for other cartridges that use 308" bullets. No advantage to the .300WBY for reloaders. Midwayusa shows 87 factory loads available for the .30-06 plus another 14 on backorder. The .308 Win shows availability for 96 factory loads with 19 on backorder. For the .300WBY midway shows 22 factory loads available, period. The cost of .30-06 factory ammo is also substantially less in most cases. Other cartridges also have a big advantage over the .300WBY in terms of availability. The advantage goes to the other cartridges. "undergun" is a qualitative judgment that many people would disagree with but, that aside, no one I know feels "undergunned" for elk when they using any of a number of other "lesser" cartridges. For those who prefer less recoil the advantage goes to the "lesser" cartridges. Using a .300WBY is to "overrun yourself with higher recoil" for those who haven't learned how to, prefer not to, for physical reasons cannot or for any other reasons choose not to manage or deal with the recoil of a .300WBY. For them the advantage again goes to "lesser" cartridges. If I owned a .300WBY it would be like my other rifles. It would get used some years and not others. I've never considered or claimed any cartridge to be the "absolute ultimate elk round" and never suggested that "nothing else should be considered". Say "Hi" to the men in white coats. Man just stop... I hate to see what your thoughts are on 300 Wsm...
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Man just stop... I hate to see what your thoughts are on 300 Wsm...
I don't think much about the .300WSM at all and never have. Don't have one and never had the urge to get one. My .300WM suffices.
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A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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The best Elk round ever chambered is the 338-06 Ack Imp. End of story.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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this thread is as dumb as it was 5 years ago
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Just when I thought it was safe to go in the water again, this thread reared it's ugly head again
If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
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A wise man is frequently humbled.
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SS, if that was for me, sorry. I have now left "the 300 Wby Mag for elk-..."building.
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SS, if that was for me, sorry. I have now left "the 300 Wby Mag for elk-..."building.
No George. This thread came back to life a few days ago
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Just FYI for those that are interested - here's a list of Federal's top selling cartridges for 2014 per the NRA/American Hunter magazine ( https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/12/20/america-s-most-wanted-ammunition/) 1. .223 Remington/5.56mm NATO 2. .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO 3. .30-’06 Springfield 4. .30-30 Winchester 5. .270 Winchester 6. .243 Winchester 7. .300 Winchester Magnum 8. 7mm Remington Magnum 9. 7.62x39 10. .300 Winchester Short Magnum 11. .22-250 Remington Not much has changed in the last few years. Here is Federal's list from 2011 per Chuckhawks: ( http://www.chuckhawks.com/federal_rifle_cartridge_2011_sales.htm) 1. .223 Remington 2. .243 Winchester 3. .30-06 Springfield 4. .308 Winchester 5. .270 Winchester 6. .30-30 Winchester 7. 7mm Remington Magnum 8. .22-250 Remington 9. .300 Winchester Magnum 10. .25-06 Remington If we eliminate the .22 caliber cartridges from the list (they are not big game legal in many states, including my home state of Colorado) I'm guessing the .25-06 and maybe the .338WM would be on the list.
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Always a bonus to get the straight poop from Chuck Hawks!!
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Always a bonus to get the straight poop from Chuck Hawks!! Who's Chuck Hawks?
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Always a bonus to get the straight poop from Chuck Hawks!! Who's Chuck Hawks? You'd love him. I'm sure he likes to use his rifle scope as a spotting scope.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Always a bonus to get the straight poop from Chuck Hawks!! Are you suggesting the list he says is Federal's list for 2011 is something else? If you have reason to doubt the list's veracity I'd like to see your evidence of same. Otherwise you're just pissing on your own shoes.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
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Remind me what the point of posting federals top selling cartridges was again?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Remind me what the point of posting federals top selling cartridges was again? Especially since the cartridge that is the topic at hand does not appear on the list. ...???
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Remind me what the point of posting federals top selling cartridges was again? Especially since the cartridge that is the topic at hand does not appear on the list. ...??? Yeah ill be interested to hear the answer...
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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