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Well I don't own any RR parts anymore and owned only a few at that.
Triggers, I saw 1 disconnector brad come loose and started pinning the rest of them. Had one made for a large pin Colt that was junk from the beginning.
Bought a couple of stripped lowers that had the grip screw drilled at the wrong angle, left quite a gap in the grip/trigger guard area.

While not a RR part I had a guy bring me a BM receiver extension that had snapped off at the threads. Got a good look at how commercial tubes are made.

Why does it matter, this weekend (I didn't get to the range) I had my mutt gun on my 4 wheeler and wound up sticking the stock between the bike and a tree while dropping off a big rock while making a trail. The LMT RE held up but the gun rack gave way. Little things like this matter if you actually get out and do something.

I've yet to see a RR carbine that wasn't over gassed. It makes a difference.

I loaded a little over 1000 5.56 rounds a few weeks ago that I've shot this summer. That doesn't include the IMI 5.56 I have shot. That's not a lot but it's what I've done with an AR anyway. And no, most of those rounds haven't been on a range I'm sad to say. You got me there.

Chrome lined bores have there uses and I doubt RR gives a 1 MOA guarantee on theirs. Start using those guns and fixing things for others and you might get a clue, but then again...

And this is strictly for carbines, I have no use for a 20" target rifle anymore, I use light weight carbines only.

Mostly when they talk about this stuff, it only applies to carbines. Rifles are so gentle on the parts they are in another class. I know a lot of guys shooting rifles for a lot of years and I can count the number of busted bolts on less than one hand. I've heard of more damaged M1A bolts.

The only guy to bust an AR rifle bolt that I can think of off hand, loaded his ammo so hot he only loaded it once.

Fritos can tighten groups and start fires.

They're awesome.




Dave

I didn't know you used to compete.

That's pretty cool.



Travis

first I would not call RRA an off brand. The problem with what your saying is there are a whole host of differences. I will talk about some of them.

AR 15's aren't what they used to be, used to be there were sub par parts that maybe didn't work well mix matched or maybe they weren't totally reliable together. This is why we saw brands like colt, larue and other medium to high end guns gain in reputation. The last 5-7 years even the cheap parts are pretty good relatively speaking. I think it makes the high end makers really struggle to show value in their products.

There isn't that much difference in the raw parts like the upper and lower. most are simply just private labeled parts made by one of the handful of upper and lower makers.

with that said the meaningful differences are, bolt, carrier, barrel, handguard and TRIGGER. lets look at what you get with each of the guns cited above.

RRA operator 3, you get a 2 stage trigger that is decent, it will not annoy most people and is very shootable. while there are better triggers on the market I don't feel that you will shoot them any better. granted I don't still run the regular NM trigger anymore but I am a trigger snob. You get a decent FF handguard. its not my first choice but its certainly an upgrade over the regular GI plastic clam shell handguard. upgraded sopmod style stock, I actually like this stock and its what I use on my builds. its got a little more length to it than most (LOP) and its comfortable to shoot off of. Yes there is lighter stuff out there maybe even better stuff. hogue grip, again I like these I use them, its and upgrade. you get and upgraded muzzlebreak, I can't see if they give you a chrome BCG or not, if they do that is certainly an upgrade. I like it because the bolt goes into battery a little easier and it makes loading the gun quietly easier. oh one last thing I love about RRA the SAFETY SELECTOR, its raised, no one else has one like it. I switch all my guns out to the RRA star safety selector. that COMES with this gun. one thing no one else is offering a 1 MOA guarantee!

what do you get with colt,

The main claim to fame is milspec parts, the good is they have been through extra inspection processes. THE BAD is they aren't allowed to be better than mil spec.

trigger, plain milspec gritty, annoying will want to change it trigger if you do much shooting,
handguard, plain GI claim shell
grip, plain GI
stock, basic as you can get 6POS
barrel, mass produced chrome lined M4 profile with funky step in the profile.
muzzle device, plain GI
no MOA guarantee

daniel defense, their guns are alot more than either colt or RRA, They do have some upgrades but you have to spend alot to get one with an upgraded trigger in it.

BCM, pretty much the same as DDM probably a little better value, a little less money that DDM probably a better value, but still a mil spec type gun that your paying extra for

FN pretty much the same as the top 3 but they do have options for upgrades, break out your wallet.


I can't see how there is a better value in the AR 15 world than RRA, I will never own a complete factory gun anymore, but a guy would be well served with RRA. mil spec parts to some mean they are tested and quaility controlled more. the problem I say is if you shoot often enough and enough rounds to come close to the supposed extra reliablity of milspec, which may or may not ever be seen, your an enthusiast and likely would be shooting or wanting to shoot a custom gun with parts you choose.

the fact is the guns ARE not the same, know the differences and what you get for the money.

thanks for being specific, is the dis connector brad your referring to a role pin that holds the dis-connector? I didn't know and have never seen a colt large pin RRA trigger could this have been a modified small pin unit? I could see it possible that role pin could move if its not in there good, the ones I have looked at are pretty mushroomed and I doubt would come out. probably something a guy should keep and eye on and inspect from time to time.

as for the grip being drilled wrong, I am pretty sure RRA doesn't make their own stripped lowers if so that could have easily been another manufactures issue, still not an excuse. RRA lowers aren't that competitive price wise. must have been a special deal I don't know why a guy would buy one for a build. I wouldn't, my own "RRA" gun doesn't even have one, its a palmetto blem with RRA parts in it.

The brad is a brad, it's worth taking a look at each one as some are mushroomed well, some aren't. The RR trigger is a decent trigger that's for sure. I actually thought RR drilled out a small pin trigger to make a large pin and drilled it crooked. Don't know but it was junk as are most Colt triggers.

The grip angle was a bad batch from several years ago, yes I got a deal on them considering there wasn't much choice back then. Mega was about it if you didn't want a "name brand".

The 6920 or better yet my favorite, the 6720 is a solid base to build on for a beater gun. No chrome lined pencil barrel is going to win any 600 yard matches but they are built right.

What you get is;
Chrome lined barrel capable of 1.5-2 MOA but no guarantee, though I've yet to see one that wouldn't do 1 MOA for 3 shots at some point in it's life, which is all RR guarantees.

Chrome lined BCG

Properly staked BCG and castle nut to keep a mil spec RE in place holding an H buffer with some of the newer ones coming with an H2 buffer.

Everything else grip, stock and hand guard are to each his own. I bought my last 6920 complete with MagPul furniture on it for $799, a price a man could build a solid gun on.

Off brand. Thats funny as hell. Don't tell that to a LOT of top shooters at Perry, maybe not national champs, but damn sure as good as me and better at times...

I've shot some range records with full on RRA with only a barrel change, even though the RRA barrel was more accurate than all you mention above to start with.. but it wasn't what I wanted...

You knew Steve too?

You may be right on the rifle, I think I have a carbine somewhere, but never really had a need to save 4 inches of length YET... its always possible though.

TWR,
I noticed the part of your response quoted above and decided to Google "6920 vs. 6720" to see what's up with the 6720, and this was the first reply to someone's question about the 6720 on another popular Internet gun forum:

I'd stay away from a pencil barrel,mostly because.the barrel will bend if you get it hot. Enough,& theirs a possibility of the barrel bending if dropped or stepped on. I own a 6920 $ a 6721 no problems at all. Also own a Daniel defense m4 which. Is my favorite

You might want to reconsider your choice....

All this time I really thought CC was an idiot. But now I realize he's just a really, really, really dedicated troll.

NOBODY really believes that Clark doesn't know what GFY means.





Well done, CC. You're "I'm too stupid to know how stupid I sound" act had me going all this time.

Coal Cracker, I'll be extra careful...

Jeff you used to shoot but you don't now, while you routinely shoot deer at 600 yards with your iron sighted 223, and now your agreeing with the cowboy. Wow. I have owned a RRA, used to own it anyway.

And for the "parts is parts" crowd, I've got an unknown make upper that may or may not fit your lower that I'd like to sell.

Since they're all the same, I'm sure you'll be happy with it.

so blue dart how is it ok to make fun of someone religion? why aren't you flaming them instead of me? how would you respond if someone did that to you? I think GFY is more than appropriate especially when its brought out of no where in the middle of a question about guns.

I'm not trying to speak for Maverick but I would assume it's because nobody made fun of any religion.

Unless your being a retard is a form of religion.






Slider

I was not agreeing on cowboy on purpose, I just get tired of all the ragging on RRA, some known smiths use their parts, I"ve never seen anything bad, unless they've gone TU over the years, and I think with all my contacts I'd have heard that by now...

To many folks demand a combat gun when the closest they'll ever get to needing a drop me on the concrete from 2 stories 10 times a day gun will be in their dreams...

Unless its just common that folks over abuse their stuff these days. I was NEVER easy on gear trust me...

I"ll check with a few folks that may have won some stuff at nationals this year or had part in smithing their guns too and see what they have to say about RRA today...

But to be fair and honest, not everyone desires the same thing.

I say that having won some major stuff wiht an EA lower and some EA parts and a good smithed barrel on it. Thats a tough one for many to smoke in their pipes.....

How much you want for it LOL

Jeff, again this is dealing with carbines and not rifles.

Talk to some instructors who run carbine classes and see what holds up and what breaks down. Pat Rogers used to keep a log on failures during a class. It was home built guns, then non mil spec guns that made up most of the problems. He called this a "clue" best I remember.

RR builds a good gun for service rifle type matches. They use a good barrel, a good trigger and there was no need to bed one. Their emphasis was on accuracy. Step down to their carbine and some of them had problems, not all but some did.

We're I given a RR carbine, I'd change out the extractor kit, RE, stock, grip and hand guard to my choice. I'd restake the carrier key, stake the castle nut on the new RE and re-pin the trigger. Install an H or H2 buffer and it would probably survive all I threw at it.