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Was he in the New Testament?

Not so fast my Reformed, amillennialist friend. I wouldn't wax so dogmatic about that. When you say it is a Protestant construct in the last 200 years, it is correct that new and vibrant scholarship has brought it--dispensationalist premillennialism--to light in the last 200 years, but the early church fathers were premillennialist and only with the spiritualising the scriptures in the Alexandrian school in Egypt in the late 200 AD did they veer from those original beliefs and deny a most literal hermeneutic of the prophetic scriptures.

Origen was a principle in this and he informed Augustine whose amillennialism became the belief of the RCC and then the Reformers neglected to reform it back through the Reformation.

As to ethnic Israel, is God finished with them? Did he change His immutable (unchangeable) mind in regard to all the promises to the OT Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, and David? I think not; rather I would argue your Replacement Theology is a construct.

Most Reformed denomination members are immersed in these (your) beliefs if they are aware of them at all. I would argue, gently so, that they are a tradition of men.

That doctrine has been around for a while. I first heard it in 1965 presented by General William Harrison (He negotiated the Korean war truce) He had a platform full of large blackboards filled with scriptures. In his two hour presentation he explained why some Christians believe in a pre-tribulation rapture giving scriptures. He did the same with explaining the mid-tribulation rapture doctrine and the post-tribulation rapture doctrine. He also separately taught on the battle of Armageddon. I found that presentation fascinating and exciting. He told us that He had written a highly discussed paper on the topic as a senior at West Point. His view on eschatology was briefly explained as "there exists a vast number of views on the return of Jesus Christ and the only thing we know for certain is - it happens." "Timing, the sequence and meaning of events is speculation at best."

I tend to follow his line of reasoning.

I think you'd argue about the hue of blue in the sky

Of course it's based in Christ. The Bible is the expression of Gods redemptive plan of salvation the cornerstone of which is Christ.

I won't disagree, but would suggest that is splitting hairs a bit. Were it not for the Bible we would haves strayed far from the truth that is found there. I understand being put off by those who totally center their religion in the Bible, also understanding that Christianity is a relationship with the risen Savior. But the Bible is also a living document, and verses passed over for years of reading suddenly can point places we had never seen. Had God not believed the Bible essential for understanding, edification and growth, it never would have been written or remained intact to this day.

I believe that is the pan-tribulation doctrine: while there is truly no knowing of when, we do know it was all pan out. I subscribe to that one, too.

Come clean.

Ringman is a step-bro, no?

When did God start believing things? I always thought God is Omniscient.

I think God's promises to Abraham, Issac, Jacob and David as being father (s) of many nations is indeed fulfilled because through Christ the Gentiles (ie many nations) were grafted into the people God first chose to reveal Himself through have become one as the body of Christ in The Church.

I've only been saved for 34 years, and although I am not obsessed with Bible prophecy, I am more than a little interested in the topic, and somewhat aware of it, having taught some of its tenets on three continents.

Not all that passes for truth in regard to the Bible and Christianity on an internet hunting website is recognized as truth by God Almighty. Some of what has been said on this thread bumps lightly to the truth, and most of it doesn't.

The main theme of Bible prophecy left to us is the second coming of Jesus Christ to the earth to rule and reign. Men ought to read the Bible, and read less about what men say about the Bible. .

Exercise(s) in futility -- arguing doctrine with the already convinced. The main reason to pay attention to prophecy is all that have come true, mainly those about Messiah. Because God was faithful to his word about Yeshuah, we can be sure the rest of what is still unfulfilled shall be. In the mean time, how ought I/we to live? Being accountable before God when time shall be no more ought to be sobering, not inflaming -- a reason to bind brothers in the LORD together. Now THAT is something the devil cannot abide.

Philip Yancey says worldwide their are 34,000 denominations so far. We are not going to settle any of this online or anywhere else.

I know you do; that is known as Replacement Theology. Grafted INTO, yes, but no does that not imply the "original vine is still alive".

Agree with that.

I have a sneaking suspicion that God and J.C. are thoroughly enjoying the folks worrying about this topic. Every time a new preacher comes up with a new date for end times or some other emergency requiring the gullible to send more cash the consumption of heavenly pop corn goes up.

Jim

If that's the case, then the "Kingdom of God" (i.e., Earth after AD 70) is one F'KED up place. Also, if the entire prophecy were true and already complete, why continue to worship something that already happened and past and why worry about judgment already made?

"The Kingdom of God is not of this world . . ."

The kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. (Romans 14:17)

I have those as a free gift from the Lord Jesus Christ imputed the instant I called on him to save me by grace through faith, and I am still on the planet, but not for much longer, I think. According to Bible prophecy and serious study of the perfect word of God.

A reasonable question at this point but all is far, far from finished and judgment is far from already rendered. PM me if you wish.

And (from Zechariah) the day of ten people apiece taking a Jewish man by the hand / robe, begging him to show them about their God is still to come. Also, the day when all Israel shall mourn Yeshuah's death as that of an only child / firstborn son -- still waiting. The only thing I've worked out must be true is that Revelation represents the resumption of God's prophetic calendar with respect to Israel, post the "times of the Gentiles".

Jesus prioritized 'people' over religious beliefs and values. The moment somebody places their religious beliefs and values over another person, they go backwards. Loving God, and demonstrating your love for God by how you treat other people, is at the very center of the center of the center of what it means to be a follower of Jesus. Do these things and you don't have to be concerned about much of nothin' else regarding The Bible or Christianity...everything else is filler material and commentary.