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As Stick likes to say, it's not tough to 'cipher those who shoot from the ones that don't.
Since this thread involves some sort of logic and real world shooting by, apparent, hunters and shooters, my little buddy would say everyone who has posted in this thread has female genitals, sits on the couch, imagines and pretends everything they wrote herein because nobody is talking about 1000K plus yards, blah, blah, blah. In his world, none of what has been articulated herein even matters. I hope he is well.
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Stick has the Milford; many of us don't.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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That was the reason for my question--not an explanation of the trajectory, just clarification on the 400-yard MPRB. I and others consider it MPBR per your target ie deer. Jerry I've always heard that called "holding on hair."
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I have used a 3" high @ 100yds MPBR for my 7mags since 1980. It is very effective to say the least.
Absolutely ! It does NOT take a lot of practice shooting to SHOW its effectiveness. After I tried it a FEW Xs, I've never considered much of anything else. That's why I like cartridges that yield 3100 fps and more. The faster----the flatter. Just so I don't get called on the carpet>>> GOOD bullets are a must, Both in makeup & BC. Jerry
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As Stick likes to say, it's not tough to 'cipher those who shoot from the ones that don't.
my little buddy would say... Some people are legends in their own minds. If he's your buddy, you have my sympathy. Jerry
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When it comes to the homunculus from Alaska, the term "little buddy" is always used tongue in cheek, at least by me.
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srrright !! Jerry
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If it is too slow, the bullet sometimes will not exit the barrel. That is important to know. Keep it in mind.
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As Stick likes to say, it's not tough to 'cipher those who shoot from the ones that don't.
North of 3000 can be awful handy at times.
I've read through a lot of Sticks post and there is no doubt the man is educated concerning rifles. I remember Stick saying there is nothing one can't do with a 7mm-08 and a 162 amax leaving the muzzle at a pedestrian 2700 fps. I'm thinking Stick would laugh in the face of MPBR endeavours when they only get one to the 400 yd line at best. I personally think MPBR is rather useful and I sight nearly all my rifles to hold at top of back at 300 yds. For most bullets traveling 2700 or thereabouts it ends up being close to a 200 yd zero. Trystan
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As Stick likes to say, it's not tough to 'cipher those who shoot from the ones that don't.
North of 3000 can be awful handy at times.
I've read through a lot of Sticks post and there is no doubt the man is educated concerning rifles. I remember Stick saying there is nothing one can't do with a 7mm-08 and a 162 amax leaving the muzzle at a pedestrian 2700 fps. I'm thinking Stick would laugh in the face of MPBR endeavours when they only get one to the 400 yd line at best. I personally think MPBR is rather useful and I sight nearly all my rifles to hold at top of back at 300 yds. For most bullets traveling 2700 or thereabouts it ends up being close to a 200 yd zero. Trystan I wasn't quoting Stick for his opinion on rifles and cartridges. I was quoting him for his quote. I did, however, quote BobinNH for his opinion on rifles and cartridges, the point of which was to reinforce the position that if you haven't had animals hit cover before you had time to range them with a LRF, you haven't hunted much. Just as Bob said, even in the era of laser rangefinders, high velocity can be useful.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I personally think MPBR is rather useful and I sight nearly all my rifles to hold at top of back at 300 yds. For most bullets traveling 2700 or thereabouts it ends up being close to a 200 yd zero.
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I wasn't quoting Stick for his opinion on rifles and cartridges. I was quoting him for his quote. I did, however, quote BobinNH for his opinion on rifles and cartridges, the point of which was to reinforce the position that if you haven't had animals hit cover before you had time to range them with a LRF, you haven't hunted much. Just as Bob said, even in the era of laser rangefinders, high velocity can be useful. You may have missed where I say I personally think MPBR is useful IMO. I was agreeing with you and Bobin and others. My post wasn't intended to prove anyone wrong I was only making reference to the fact that no matter what anyone says Stick is going to counter with the do nothing gang stuff 😀 Trystan
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I did, however, quote BobinNH for his opinion on rifles and cartridges, the point of which was to reinforce the position that if you haven't had animals hit cover before you had time to range them with a LRF, you haven't hunted much. Just as Bob said, even in the era of laser rangefinders, high velocity can be useful.
Happens quite frequently where I'm hunting, and I wholeheartedly agree with BobinNH's 160gr/3000fps combo.
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We're flopped prone here over a pack ,no bipod, no rear bag, at 300 yards. 7mm Mashburn. 2.5-3" high at 100. Not in a real hurry for three shots but not screwing around either,about as fast as I could cycle and get back on target. It's a sneeze for that load and that's how I like it. Same rifle, same load,same technique,except 500 yards with the second dot on a 6X Leopold. The help is there if it's needed past 300 yards and nothing wrong with that.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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That's what I'm talkin' about.......
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And yet, while MV helps with wind, generally folks that talk what I call mid range shots, are always worried about drop, which can be covered, but never mention wind, A 190gn long-range Accubond (BC .640) 2550mv has 10" of drift at 400yd.(10 mph x wind) for a 180NP to display the same level of drift, it requires a whopping 3250mv. Higher velocity is sometimes so overrated, nor is it always the best or only solution.
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Absolutely yes, velocity is important. Somewhere around 1950 I chose the model 155 RIFLE Daisy over the new Red Rider because it had a longer barrel, looked more like Dad's 300Sav, and was said to be FASTER. From eight feet that thing could splat flies on the barn door and was fast enough to embed the BBs in the old Hemlock. I could open the leather punch on my Kamp King, dig them out, and shoot them over again. (early reloading) Two other boys had Red Riders and they, like 30-30s, just bounced off. When I got my Winchester 32 Spl. I chose the model 64 over the 94 because of longer barrel. Velocity, you know. Never bounced off, never! Don't dig em out with the Kamp King now but I do reload. Velocity!
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I carried a .257 Roberts with 100-grain Partitions handloaded to about 3250 fps,
(This was sort of a Bob Hagel-level load, but not excessive in the rifle's 24" barrel.)
***Oh, and when sighted-in at 300, the point-of-impact at 100 yards was just about exactly three inches high.***
S A L U T E' That is impressive---- especially for 257 Roberts. Jerry
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I carried a .257 Roberts with 100-grain Partitions handloaded to about 3250 fps,
(This was sort of a Bob Hagel-level load, but not excessive in the rifle's 24" barrel.)
***Oh, and when sighted-in at 300, the point-of-impact at 100 yards was just about exactly three inches high.***
S A L U T E' That is impressive---- especially for 257 Roberts. Jerry http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/10163944/6.257R at 3,250 fps with a 100 TTSX and H100V works well. DF
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And yet, while MV helps with wind, generally folks that talk what I call mid range shots, are always worried about drop, which can be covered, but never mention wind, A 190gn long-range Accubond (BC .640) 2550mv has 10" of drift at 400yd.(10 mph x wind) for a 180NP to display the same level of drift, it requires a whopping 3250mv. Higher velocity is sometimes so overrated, nor is it always the best or only solution. Velocity is almost as overrated as most people's ability to consistently dope wind.
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