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We will have a big problem with jobs building infrastructure, and bringing manufacturing back, millennials. Most of them can't or won't do anything that requires manual labor. Not all but most. Most people in big box stores who are building things are in their 50s. Most today don't know what it's like to actually put in a hard days work, where your sore and tired when you come home. I have seen so many 30 somethings that won't even mowe their lawns, or do any maintenance on their cars. Am I wrong, or just getting old, your thoughts

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You are wrong and (apparently) getting old...

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Cut off welfare and see how fast those 30 somethings toughen up and get to work.
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You might be kind of right and wrong. A lot of us became hands-on in part because of jobs we had.

For instance, now-days most gasoline is self-pumped at some sort of convenience store but in our day it was pumped by gas jockeys at service stations where this entry-level job exposed a lot of us to working on cars.

Just having more good labor jobs in our economy should expose some people to working with their hands who wouldn't have been otherwise.

But you might be right about millennials who won't do a thing. I think they will develop into a new underclass when their parents die. Or maybe they'll get a wakeup call?


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When I was in high school, many kids bucked hay bales. That was before the bale wagon was invented so it was all hand work. I was tall and skinny but it's amazing how strong a skinny kid can get from throwing 80lb bales all day.


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That might be a problem with some millennials, but my son's a millennial and he'd work your butt off.


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That's truth!

To the OP;

Perhaps you're living in the wrong part of the country. Around here, it's the exception to find a millennial not holding down a full time job.

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Depends on the kid. Damn sure a bunch of them are lazy.


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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/13/millennials-are-falling-behind-their-boomer-parents.html

One of the problems with your stance is that a lot of those in the big box stores building things are working on their own homes, and home ownership isn't as obtainable as it was for your generation, and incomes certainly aren't keeping pace either... We can blame lazy millenials all we want, but baby boomers that didn't plan for retirement, were laid off pre-retirement, etc. all staying in the job market past retirement are negatively affecting all the younger generations' job prospects and mobility. It's easy to look down upon them as lazy do-nothings, but you've probably never had a student loan payment that's as big as a house payment, which many of them do. We can argue whether those student loans were necessary, but the facts support having a college degree leads to on average higher earnings so the investment is hard to argue with even though the consequences of that debt is far-reaching. You also have to consider that some of your observations could be biased as many baby-boomers were pot-smoking flower children at similar points in their lives so it's hard for me to understand that generation casting stones at anyone for "laziness"...

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I know I'm doing right when I get home from work and my boy is already out shoveling snow. I could see him from the time I turned the corner towards the house. I never asked him to do it.... good kid.


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Horseshit. Plenty of good millennials out there to fill jobs.

We should call the boomer generation the "insecure" generation..

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I ain't a 'generation' blamer, folks are folks.

That said, if I was one, I'd put it square on the Boomers. What a worthless bunch of f*cks, as a whole. Especially the early part of that generation.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I ain't a 'generation' blamer, folks are folks.

That said, if I was one, I'd put it square on the Boomers. What a worthless bunch of f*cks, as a whole. Especially the early part of that generation.


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People grow up in different times so acquire different cultural values but given the chance I’ve found most millennials to be decent workers. They definitely have different expectations at work than I did at that age but then their employer’s values and loyalty to their employees have changed as well.

But there is another event on the horizon. If this column has any prognosticative accuracy, robots are going to change the whole job market in ways we haven’t seen since the Industrial Revolution began.

For those with twitter attention spans, the gist is:
Robots will replace more and more jobs, especially the entry level and/or more menial or physical kind. They make sense to employers since they don’t have any of the problems human labor does. But robots don’t spend their wages – they don’t make wages. So who is going to buy all of the products that robots create? And what are we going to do with the social problems caused by all of the people who can’t find jobs since robots have them all?

Link here: http://fredoneverything.org/ready-new-rossiters-universal-robots-toward-a-most-minimal-wage/



Ready: New Rossum’s Universal Robots: Toward a Most Minimal Wage

Being as I am a curmudgeon, and delight in human folly and thoughts of huge asteroids, tsunamis, incurable plagues, continent-shattering volcanoes, and the Hillary administration, I follow the advance of robots with hope. They may finally end civilization as we know it. Currently they spread like kudzu. Herewith a few notes from my favorite technical publication, the Drudge Report. It may convince you that the robots are upon us like ants on a sandwich.

Navy building autonomous sub-hunting submarine. Robots deliver food to your door. China’s use of robots set to surge. Amazon uses 30,000 robots in warehouses. AMBER lab robot jogs like human. Japanese farming robots. Burger-flipping robot. World’s first sex-robot. China’s robot cop. China’s road to self-driving cars. Bloomberg uses robot story-writers. In theme park, robots make food and drinks. SCHAFT unveils new robot in Japan. Boston Dynamics has several ominous robots paid for by the Pentagon. Robot does soft-tissue surgery better than humans. Robotic KFC outlet in Shanghai. And of course everybody and his dog are working on self-driving vehicles.

People seldom click on links. This one, Atlas, from Boston Dynamics, is truly worth a click. Think of him coming through your door by night. Many similar critters exist, often in Asia.

These machines either work well or come very close, and impinge on manufacturing, delivery, war, policing, the restaurant industry, journalism, and service industries perhaps soon to include prostitution. We ought to think forethoughtedly about what to do with these machines. We won’t.

Photo: Amazon’s robots. Video. These orange devils carry heavy racks to humans who pick ordered goods from them for shipment. Amazon is working on robots that can do the picking. Who will be left? In principle, 30,000 robots can work 90,000 shifts, plus weekends. With a predictability that makes sunrise look like a long shot, the company says that the robots do not replace but “help” humans. If you believe this, I’d like to sell you stock in my venture to make radioactive dog-food on Mars.

Automation of course means more than robots. As newspaper after newspaper goes all-digital, less pulpwood will be needed to make less newsprint, pressmen will be fired, delivery trucks will no longer needed, and so on. Such ripple effects get little attention. They should.

The capitalist paradigm in which companies think only about themselves, seeking to increase productivity and reduce costs, is going to work decreasingly well. Replacing well-paid workers with robots means replacing customers with a lot of money with customers with little money. People who are not paid much do not buy much. Robots buy even less.

The first crucial question of coming decades: Who is going to buy the stuff pouring from robotic factories?

The current notion is that when a yoyo factory automates and lays off most of its workers, they will find other well-paid jobs and continue to buy yoyos. But as well-paid jobs everywhere go automated, where will the money come from to buy yoyos? Today participation in the work force is at all- time lows and we have a large and growing number of young who, unable to find good jobs, live with their parents. They are not buying houses or renting apartments. (They may, given the intellectual level of today’s young, be buying yoyos.)

Enthusiasts of the free market say that I do not understand economics, that there will always be work for people who want to work. But there isn’t. There won’t be. There is less all the time. Again, look at the falling participation in the work force, the growing numbers in part-time badly paid jobs. Short of governmentally imposed minimums, wages are determined by the market, meaning that if a robot works for a dollar an hour, a human will have to work for ninety-five cents an hour to compete , or find a job a robot can’t do–and these get scarcer.

From a businessman’s point of view, robots are superb employees. They don’t strike, demand raises, call in sick, get disgruntled and do a sloppy job, or require benefits. Building factories that are robotic from the gitgo means not having to lay workers off, which is politically easier than firing existing workers. Using robots obviates the Chinese advantage in wages, especially if America can make better robots–good for companies, but not for workers in either country. That is, production may return to the US, but jobs will not. In countries with declining populations, having robots do the work may reduce the attractiveness of importing uncivilizable bomb-chucking morons from the bush world.

A second crucial question: What will we do with people who have nothing to do? This has been a hidden problem for a long time, solved to date by child-labor laws, compulsory attendance in high school, the growth of universities as holding tanks, welfare populations, and vast bureaucracies of people who pretend to be employed. Few of these do anything productive, but are supported and kept off the job market by the rest of us. But there are limits to the capacity of Starbuck’s to soak up college graduates. (The economic fate of America may depend on our consumption of overpriced coffee.)

As time goes on and fewer and fewer people can find work, and particularly the less intelligent, something will have to give. We won’t see it coming. We never see anything coming. Businessmen will observe productivity going up and labor costs going down. What could be wrong with that? Businessmen do not concern themselves with social questions. Methinks, however, that social questions are about to concern themselves with businessmen.

As standards of living decrease, unrest will come. I will guess that much of Donald Trump’s popularity arises from the sending of factories to China by the corporations that rule America. Now the robots are going to take the remaining jobs. Economists will chatter of this principle and that curve and what Aristotle said about Veblen, but in a free market for labor, robots will win. If we have a high minimum wage, business will automate. If we have a low minimum wage, they will automate, but a few years later.

The obvious solution, one I think inevitable within a few decades unless we want a revolution, is a guaranteed minimum income, enough to live on comfortably, for everyone. Whether this is a good idea can be debated, but it seems likely to be the only idea. Capitalists will tell me that I do not understand markets, or capital flows or pricing mechanisms, and that I am against freedom. I will respond that they need to wake up and look around. And I will point out that economics has become a tedious form of Left-Right metaphysics, Keynes versus the Austrian School, capitalism versus socialism, all unconnected to onrushing reality.

What would be the effects of a guaranteed income? Godawful, I would guess. Some people, probably including those who read columns on the web, would read, listen to music, drink wine and talk with friends, hike in the Himalayas, scuba dive, and earn doctorates in physics. But most would get up every morning, bored, without purpose, anticipating just another of unending days of television, beer, tedium, no driving desire to do anything but discontent with nothing to do. Would the young even go to school? They would have no need. What has happened among the welfare populations that in effect have a guaranteed minimum income?

See? We are doomed. It warms the cockles of a curmudgeon’s heart. Whatever a cockle is.


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I have a son and daughter that are millennials.

They probably work harder than I did at that age. For less gain too. It's hard to make ends meet in today's world.

There's a difference in "millennial" and "snowflake".


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There are a lot of kids acing to work with some skills.

Around here it is who you know and not what you know.

I talked to a kid last night that has a lot of welding and fabricating skills. He's 25 a hard worker and no one will hire him.

I have been out of work for 4 months with 27 years in my trade and 12 years welding and I am loosing my job to the 30 year old's that know people and do not know the first thing on how to do their job.

This kid has high hopes and drive. He told me last night that we need to go into business together and I am thinking about it.

There are some good kids out there. We just need to feed their drive.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
It's hard to make ends meet in today's world.


Agreed. Look to the Boomers who made sure they got theirs, and left their kids struggling. In many ways.

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I think the view of Millennials is very different in an urban environment. Out here in my world they are fairly typical kids, some good some bad, some lazy some work. As mentioned earlier, if we take away all the damned bennies and free rides folks would have no choice but to rise to the occasion. They, and the country, will be better off for it.


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I wish I could have got a robot to build my house.


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