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Things have changed. Training's different.
When I was a rookie, the crusty old sergeants said, if you can't take a knife off someone, you shouldn't be a cop. Just the way it was.
No one wants to get stabbed, but I saw a lot of leeway there for those cops. It was obvious old Jerry decided it was time to go.
It was a "legal" shoot. It wasn't a morally good shoot. Not yet.
I'm reminded of the shoot at Columbine. Cops outside and gun shots going on inside and not one cop willing to go in and end it! Nobody wants to take a risk anymore? You mean to tell me, three cops with night sticks couldn't subdue this guy from three sides?
Jesus, I'm getting tired of making excuses for my brothers in blue, but someone already said it. They "Wanted" to shoot.
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It sounds like I got it right about 4ager about being a bloviating buffoon.
I'd rather die in a BAD gunfight than a GOOD nursing home.
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It sounds like I got it right about 4ager about being a bloviating buffoon. Nope, you got called and you're taking a pass. Go figure. The thread's about Jerry and cops, not me.
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Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Whether they had to or whatever, I found the procedural part of the aftermath surreal.
Bangbangbangbang... man lying on ground with multiple through and through wounds to the upper torso. "Jerry, stay down. You're under arrest". I think he was complying by that time.
A few seconds later as they approach, "Jerry, drop the knife, we're trying to help you." Okay, that one is rich with possibilities.
I'm sure they followed proper procedure, officer safety and all that and no one who wasn't actually there can really find fault in doing so, but the juxtaposition of proper procedure with a man bleeding to death on the ground - be it his fault, the cops' fault or the fault of his abusive father when Jerry was a kid - seems very Kafkaesque.
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Do you honestly think they wanted to kill him?
I think they didn't want to NOT kill him bad enough.
Do you honestly believe that those cops are both untrained
Trained to do exactly what they did. Shot their tazers from too far away and three to one outnumbered an old drunk shot him down. Very well trained at it by the looks of it. Very well done.
and sociopathic enough to seek out opportunities to kill people?
Never even suggested it. Simply said that they live to do it another day. The reason? See #1 above
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Do you honestly think they wanted to kill him? Do you honestly believe that those cops are both untrained and sociopathic enough to seek out opportunities to kill people? I honestly believe that their field of fire was VERY, very poorly scoped,almost unbelievably stupid,and that they were NOT thinking about the folks residing downrange. GTC
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Good shoot, in my untrained opinion, But I do have to wonder why bean bag rounds and that guns are not standard issue
per Cruiser
Folks are getting shot at distances too far for a taser.
Why not to use a less than lethal with longer range??
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Well, I am not a cop. That being said, for the people that feel like the shoot was unjustified, what would you have done?
Try to contain the suspect somehow? The tazer didn't work.They had a busy street right behind them, from the sounds of things. Do you let the guy continue to approach, and go 'hand to hand' with him on the ground?
I'm not trying to be contentious, but am genuinely curious as to how the police should have contained this man?
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Do you honestly think they wanted to kill him?
I think they didn't want to NOT kill him bad enough.
Do you honestly believe that those cops are both untrained
Trained to do exactly what they did. Shot their tazers from too far away and three to one outnumbered an old drunk shot him down. Very well trained at it by the looks of it. Very well done.
and sociopathic enough to seek out opportunities to kill people?
Never even suggested it. Simply said that they live to do it another day. The reason? See #1 above
Gotcha. I simply disagree. Maybe it's because I know too many damned good cops; maybe I just think better of them than that - whatever the reason, I simply disagree.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Old days, cops was trained to whack this guy outta the knife, and tune him up to prevent a repeat.
Now, cops is trained to make a video that justifies shootin.
So that's what they did. The guy, out of his mind maybe, agreed to star in the video.
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Things have changed. Training's different.
When I was a rookie, the crusty old sergeants said, if you can't take a knife off someone, you shouldn't be a cop. Just the way it was.
No one wants to get stabbed, but I saw a lot of leeway there for those cops. It was obvious old Jerry decided it was time to go.
It was a "legal" shoot. It wasn't a morally good shoot. Not yet.
I'm reminded of the shoot at Columbine. Cops outside and gun shots going on inside and not one cop willing to go in and end it! Nobody wants to take a risk anymore? You mean to tell me, three cops with night sticks couldn't subdue this guy from three sides?
Jesus, I'm getting tired of making excuses for my brothers in blue, but someone already said it. They "Wanted" to shoot. It's the mindset that's drilled into them. All I can say is I hope ever damn person I meet on the street views me as much of a threat as these three cops viewed Jerry. Maybe they'll leave me the fook alone.
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Old days, cops was trained to whack this guy outta the knife, and tune him up to prevent a repeat.
Now, cops is trained to make a video that justifies shootin.
So that's what they did. The guy, out of his mind maybe, agreed to star in the video. It's all good if we say the right things on video, and let him hit that 21' threshold.
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Do you honestly think they wanted to kill him? Do you honestly believe that those cops are both untrained and sociopathic enough to seek out opportunities to kill people? I honestly believe that their field of fire was VERY, very poorly scoped,almost unbelievably stupid,and that they were NOT thinking about the folks residing downrange. GTC I thought I said that already.
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A man charging can cover a lot of ground in a few seconds. I know. But instinct should come into play. Discretion. Three men should be able to take a drunk with a butcher knife. Hell, a drunk can barely stand. Get him circling around to cover his 6 and he's gonna fall on his face. There would be plenty of time to kill him if that didn't work.
I don't feel a bit bad for Jerry. He got what he wanted. I just don't want anyone patting these cops on the back and calling them heroes! They weren't. This wasn't a "Kill or be killed" scenario.
Screw it.
Last edited by Dan_Chamberlain; 01/18/17.
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Do you honestly think they wanted to kill him? Do you honestly believe that those cops are both untrained and sociopathic enough to seek out opportunities to kill people? I honestly believe that their field of fire was VERY, very poorly scoped,almost unbelievably stupid,and that they were NOT thinking about the folks residing downrange. GTC I thought I said that already. Well pardon me all to tears for thinking it needed saying again. GTC
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It was a "legal" shoot. It wasn't a morally good shoot. Not yet.
I'm reminded of the shoot at Columbine. Cops outside and gun shots going on inside and not one cop willing to go in and end it! Nobody wants to take a risk anymore? You mean to tell me, three cops with night sticks couldn't subdue this guy from three sides?
Jesus, I'm getting tired of making excuses for my brothers in blue, but someone already said it. They "Wanted" to shoot. Letting somebody with first hand experience speak for me. I never had a drunk old man threaten me wih a knife. But creeps, the cop whose shoulder we're looking over pops 3 rounds in less than a second at an old drunk dude that couldn't have run if a bear, no wait, a cop was after him.
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Whatever happened to three guys wade in there and give Jerry a happy tap with a baton and drag his butt off to jail?
I'm betting these three cops were bedwetters right up til they graduated academy.
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It sounds like I got it right about 4ager about being a bloviating buffoon. Thank god he doesn't post in the cooking section. He invented pancakes don'tcha know. 
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I just cannot understand why they shot Jerry, disarming him would have been so much better.
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Two sisters of Grand Coteau Interim Mayor Shaterral Johnson were stabbed while trying to stop 35-year-old Harrison Lee Riley Jr., of Arnaudville, from stabbing his wife. 40-year-old Shameka Johnson, and Officer Henry Nelson both died on the scene. 51-year-old Nelson was responding to the scene of a stabbing on Anna Street when he was shot by Riley with his own gun. According to the sheriff, Riley had taken the gun from Nelson during a confrontation.
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