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I'm not sure of your definition of tiny groups for a lightweight sporting rifle. With an appropriate target I maintain a quality scope of 9x will show pretty much all of what such a platform can reliably and repeatedly produce.
Riiiiight. Lightweight has nothing to do with the ability of shooting tiny groups. Sure not everyone can do it, but it can be done. Look up the Cooper M92, same tiny groups as the rest of the Cooper line. Using a 9X scope trying to gauge accuracy, is like cutting trees down with a butter knife trying to gauge cutting speed. Bad idea... You just don't know how then... sorry. Apparently not. I prefer to use the right tool for the job.
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I'm not sure of your definition of tiny groups for a lightweight sporting rifle. With an appropriate target I maintain a quality scope of 9x will show pretty much all of what such a platform can reliably and repeatedly produce.
Riiiiight. Lightweight has nothing to do with the ability of shooting tiny groups. Sure not everyone can do it, but it can be done. Look up the Cooper M92, same tiny groups as the rest of the Cooper line. Using a 9X scope trying to gauge accuracy, is like cutting trees down with a butter knife trying to gauge cutting speed. Bad idea... Just because you can't shoot for chit, doesn't mean the rest of us are like that...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I'm not sure of your definition of tiny groups for a lightweight sporting rifle. With an appropriate target I maintain a quality scope of 9x will show pretty much all of what such a platform can reliably and repeatedly produce.
I agree... Now I see how so many Montanas here are labeled as shiiit shooters. Common sense isn't so common here.....
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[/URL] Here's my Kimber.
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[/URL] Here's my Kimber.
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I'm not sure of your definition of tiny groups for a lightweight sporting rifle. With an appropriate target I maintain a quality scope of 9x will show pretty much all of what such a platform can reliably and repeatedly produce.
Riiiiight. Lightweight has nothing to do with the ability of shooting tiny groups. Sure not everyone can do it, but it can be done. Look up the Cooper M92, same tiny groups as the rest of the Cooper line. Using a 9X scope trying to gauge accuracy, is like cutting trees down with a butter knife trying to gauge cutting speed. Bad idea... Just because you can't shoot for chit, doesn't mean the rest of us are like that... Please post your .1 or better group using a 9X scope. After reading this site for a few years, I thought stick was too harsh on some here, but after posting and getting some of the above replies, it's clear he was being way too nice.
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Exactly. The Kimber may require some work to be perfected as it comes from the factory, but if a total newby to bedding like me can get it right the first try, then it's well worth the price of admission. It's not like it's the only factory rifle that requires a little work. I guess it's just expected that you need to change the trigger, barrel, stock, and bed a model 700, so no one complains. After all the model 700 costs so much less.LOL Why does no one count the full cost plus parts and complain about that? this is the first 100 yard group I shot after bedding my POS Kimber. Factory Accubonds no less. second group Tikka Superlite, 7mm-08 140 Partition handloads. 120 Ballistic Tips Rifle prep included inserting the bolt and mounting the scope. P
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1/2 pound heavier . . . 1/2 ton uglier
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Exactly. The Kimber may require some work to be perfected as it comes from the factory, but if a total newby to bedding like me can get it right the first try, then it's well worth the price of admission. It's not like it's the only factory rifle that requires a little work. I guess it's just expected that you need to change the trigger, barrel, stock, and bed a model 700, so no one complains. After all the model 700 costs so much less.LOL Why does no one count the full cost plus parts and complain about that? this is the first 100 yard group I shot after bedding my POS Kimber. Factory Accubonds no less. second group Tikka Superlite, 7mm-08 140 Partition handloads. 120 Ballistic Tips Rifle prep included inserting the bolt and mounting the scope. P The problem with a Tikka is at the end of the day, it's still a pos tikka that looks like it's made by Mattel....
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[/URL] Here's my Kimber. Beautiful rifle Leonten!
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Are you referring to those three shot Cooper groups fired indoors at 50 yards? Big deal.
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I'm not sure of your definition of tiny groups for a lightweight sporting rifle. With an appropriate target I maintain a quality scope of 9x will show pretty much all of what such a platform can reliably and repeatedly produce.
Riiiiight. Lightweight has nothing to do with the ability of shooting tiny groups. Sure not everyone can do it, but it can be done. Look up the Cooper M92, same tiny groups as the rest of the Cooper line. Using a 9X scope trying to gauge accuracy, is like cutting trees down with a butter knife trying to gauge cutting speed. Bad idea... Just because you can't shoot for chit, doesn't mean the rest of us are like that... Please post your .1 or better group using a 9X scope. After reading this site for a few years, I thought stick was too harsh on some here, but after posting and getting some of the above replies, it's clear he was being way too nice. If you can reliably and repeatedly shoot that Kimber "in the ones" for five shot groups with any magnification you choose you need to take that rifle on tour and clean up at some benchrest matches.
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I'm not sure of your definition of tiny groups for a lightweight sporting rifle. With an appropriate target I maintain a quality scope of 9x will show pretty much all of what such a platform can reliably and repeatedly produce.
Riiiiight. Lightweight has nothing to do with the ability of shooting tiny groups. Sure not everyone can do it, but it can be done. Look up the Cooper M92, same tiny groups as the rest of the Cooper line. Using a 9X scope trying to gauge accuracy, is like cutting trees down with a butter knife trying to gauge cutting speed. Bad idea... Just because you can't shoot for chit, doesn't mean the rest of us are like that... Please post your .1 or better group using a 9X scope. After reading this site for a few years, I thought stick was too harsh on some here, but after posting and getting some of the above replies, it's clear he was being way too nice. If you can reliably and repeatedly shoot that Kimber "in the ones" for five shot groups with any magnification you choose you need to take that rifle on tour and clean up at some benchrest matches. I didn't think you were this stupid, but I guess I was wrong. A pencil thin barrel isn't winning any matches. No shooting event is going to wait for you while your barrel cools. Furthermore, Cooper does shoot their targets at 50 yards, but it really doesn't matter. I would bet money that a dumbass like yourself cannot duplicate their target at 5 yards. Have you ever shot a rifle? Your posts make it sound like you might have not. It looks like you spend your life posting nonsense on here instead of taking that time to actually be pulling the trigger.
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The person posting nonsense is the one thinking he shot a .1" group with a lightweight Kimber because he used a 25x scope. It's hard to believe you've done very much shooting if you believe that group is anything other than a fluke.
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It isn't hard to kill deer inside of 200 yards - the test for most American hunters with a rife shooter combination that shoots 2.5" groups. When you hunt with guys who grew up shooting and are over 40 you take for granted that guys can shoot. Youngsters now are more worried about tacticool items than basic fundamentals of pulling a trigger, and there is so much more cool stuff it is easy to get distracted.
We have 2 new younger elk hunters this year and I have to take a turn on their rifles if I want to see if the reloads in their 30-06's are capable of good accuracy. My 12 year old grandson shoots more consistent groups. I got the TC Venture to shoot a 1" group at 225 yards but right now the young man can't take advantage of a 1" accuracy guarantee, getting better but not enough trigger time yet. I'm thinking the Remington CDL may need some tweaking to shoot well.
I'd love to give a Kimber a try but I'd be more likely to buy the 2 Tikkas since these days Rifles are more like tools for me than sentimental objects,
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The Montana i had in 30.06 wouldn't do better than 1 1/2" for three shors at 100 yrds. I tried 5 different kinds of factory ammo. Maybe handloads would have worked but sine i no longer handload that was moot. I went back to a Ruger Compact in 308. It may be a pound or so heavier but it shoots under an inch wich factory ammo.
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The Montana i had in 30.06 wouldn't do better than 1 1/2" for three shors at 100 yrds. I tried 5 different kinds of factory ammo. Maybe handloads would have worked but sine i no longer handload that was moot. I went back to a Ruger Compact in 308. It may be a pound or so heavier but it shoots under an inch wich factory ammo. Well sheeit, just get yourself a 25x scope and start cutting some tiny groups!
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The Montana i had in 30.06 wouldn't do better than 1 1/2" for three shors at 100 yrds. I tried 5 different kinds of factory ammo. Maybe handloads would have worked but sine i no longer handload that was moot. I went back to a Ruger Compact in 308. It may be a pound or so heavier but it shoots under an inch wich factory ammo. Well sheeit, just get yourself a 25x scope and start cutting some tiny groups! Yeah that's why all competitive shooters use a cheap leupy 3x9 from Walmart. You must be a libtard.
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The Montana i had in 30.06 wouldn't do better than 1 1/2" for three shors at 100 yrds. I tried 5 different kinds of factory ammo. Maybe handloads would have worked but sine i no longer handload that was moot. I went back to a Ruger Compact in 308. It may be a pound or so heavier but it shoots under an inch wich factory ammo. Well sheeit, just get yourself a 25x scope and start cutting some tiny groups! Yeah that's why all competitive shooters use a cheap leupy 3x9 from Walmart. You must be a libtard. You're proof that obtuse isn't just for angles. If you weren't so dense you would understand that a lightweight Kimber sporter isn't precise enough to demonstrate the aiming superiority of high magnification scopes the way a purpose built competition rifle can.
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1/2 pound heavier . . . 1/2 ton uglier Not near as pretty as the Montana, but she shoots. Changed the primer in the 120 BT load And half a pound? Take a pee before you leave the truck. P
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