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Not to hi-jack but don't feel like the Lone Ranger, I can't hit chit firing my P226 40 cal in double action mode, if I had to yank that pistol and fire it, the damn target best be at arms length for me to hit it. May as well punch the sombitch and avoid the paperwork. This is why I like to carry 1911's, capacity notwithstanding, thumb that hammer safety down and a really nice trigger pull awaits. Take a look here when you get a chance.
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I've trained with, and carried, conventional double action automatic pistols several times over the 37 years I've been shooting and carrying handguns. I can learn the transition from double to single action just fine, and generally speaking my shots from the first to subsequent rounds land in the same group. That is, until I make a concerted effort to simulate an emergency draw and fire, while trying to simulate the appropriate emotional state while doing it. In that case, almost invariably, the first round goes low, followed by subsequent rounds landing in a tight group where I intended all of them to go.
Now, that would most likely be just fine in a self-defense shooting, since a belly shot, followed quickly by several upper chest shots should be about as effective as all chest shots, but I like all my rounds to go where I intend them to go, and train as I might, I just never could get there with a traditional double action auto. I can with a double action revolver, a single action auto, and a Glock type (striker fired) action, but not with a traditional double action.
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I've gotten to shoot a Reeves Junkin Python...that was about as slick a DA as it gets... Is he the guy that installs a roller bearing of sorts into the action ? I've heard they are very slick. Also have another Python done by Frank Glenn but don't shoot it much.
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Don't know for sure but I don't think so...
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I really want to be able to use wood grips on my favorite Smiths, can anyone help? Probably I should mention that I have relatively small hands, so I can't use grips that cover the backstrap. Having grips that fit is no more of a crutch than having pants that fit. S&W target grips were developed for bullseye shooters, and they work pretty well for that. They're ahhm, not so good for other uses. Much of the shooting done in McGivern's book was done with revolvers equipped with custom grips or grip adapters, etc. Same with most of Elmer Keith's books. Take a look at http://ahrendsgripsusa.com/revolver.htm and http://www.herrettstocks.com/ for grips that look good and that fit your hands. Okie John
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Herrett's Shooting Star is a damn good DA grip for folks with medium size hands. http://herrettstocks.com/cshtstar.htm \
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Concur, they are my favorite to date that I've tried.
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More good helpful stuff. Thanks y'all! Has anyone sent Herretts a hand tracing? Did it result in grips that fit you better than their normal grips?
A man's capacity is usually relative to his goals. -Karl Erlich, The Sea Chase
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I have a couple of Smiths that the double action is real smooth, but I find myself shooting them like a single action, without thinking. It is just too damn built in to hammer it back. miles
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I have a couple of Smiths that the double action is real smooth, but I find myself shooting them like a single action, without thinking. It is just too damn built in to hammer it back. miles That's because you're retarded. Dave
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Unless the grip is made of soft rubber like a Hogue monogrip or the old Lett grips that Ruger used to put on their GP100, I can't seem to control the squirm. This tells me your grip is off. Describe your grip. You don't need a custom stocks to lay down tight groups in DA. Travis
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Unless the grip is made of soft rubber like a Hogue monogrip or the old Lett grips that Ruger used to put on their GP100, I can't seem to control the squirm. BS. Blank piece of paper, center hold, so close yer gonna leave powder burns.Rapid fire. Get good at it.Work your way back as you progress.
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Not to hi-jack but don't feel like the Lone Ranger, I can't hit chit firing my P226 40 cal in double action mode, if I had to yank that pistol and fire it, the damn target best be at arms length for me to hit it. May as well punch the sombitch and avoid the paperwork. This is why I like to carry 1911's, capacity notwithstanding, thumb that hammer safety down and a really nice trigger pull awaits. Take a look here when you get a chance. Thanks for those Sarge, I'll watch them this morning.
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Nice videos Sarge, I gotta get me some steel to pistol shoot with.
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I too, think that I shouldn't need custom grips to shoot decently in double action. I keep thinking, "I must be doing something wrong."
I'm right handed. Right thumb is down against my middle finger tip. Left thumb is right on top of my right, thumb print on thumb nail. Recoil hump down low against the web of my hand, gun pretty well lined up with my forearm, trigger on the first digit.
Everything feels perfectly secure while dry firing, but under recoil the grip jumps down in my hand and rotates clockwise in my hand, both just a trifle but enough to no longer be a solid grip. This change also causes my finger to engage the trigger at a different point.
Could be that I'm not gripping hard enough, but even when I focus on that it doesn't seem to help.
A man's capacity is usually relative to his goals. -Karl Erlich, The Sea Chase
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Try a Tylor T Grip adaptor.
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If you mentioned what revolver and grips you are using WW, I missed it. Sorry.
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I too, think that I shouldn't need custom grips to shoot decently in double action. I keep thinking, "I must be doing something wrong."
I'm right handed. Right thumb is down against my middle finger tip. Left thumb is right on top of my right, thumb print on thumb nail. Recoil hump down low against the web of my hand, gun pretty well lined up with my forearm, trigger on the first digit.
Everything feels perfectly secure while dry firing, but under recoil the grip jumps down in my hand and rotates clockwise in my hand, both just a trifle but enough to no longer be a solid grip. This change also causes my finger to engage the trigger at a different point.
Could be that I'm not gripping hard enough, but even when I focus on that it doesn't seem to help. What do you groups look like @ 7 yds? Dave
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What do you groups look like @ 7 yds?Dave Thinking he same thing. If they're nice and round he's f'cked. Difficult to read. Go back to blank paper and do RAPID fire up REAL close. Work his way back until mistakes start to appear in the grouping. Eliminating an aiming point in this case is beneficial. Bring the gun up to the eyes, don't bring the eyes down to the gun.
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Agreed.
Not enough people shoot on blank targets. It tells you much.
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