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And half a pound? Take a pee before you leave the truck.
P For a backpack hunter, 1/2 pound is huge. Surprised to hear that you pee in your truck. I always leave my truck first.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mathman may have shot more rifles than you have groups. As Stick says you should be doing more reading than giving advice.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mathman may have shot more rifles than you have groups. As Stick says you should be doing more reading than giving advice.
What advice have I given? It's pretty obvious to anybody past 1st grade that better magnification shrinks groups significantly. If one disagrees with that, they are either retarded, or argue just for the sake of arguing.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mathman may have shot more rifles than you have groups. As Stick says you should be doing more reading than giving advice.
What advice have I given? It's pretty obvious to anybody past 1st grade that better magnification shrinks groups significantly. If one disagrees with that, they are either retarded, or argue just for the sake of arguing.
If you weren't so dense you would understand that a lightweight Kimber sporter isn't precise enough to demonstrate the aiming superiority of high magnification scopes the way a purpose built competition rifle can.
Read it again..
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Just for giggles.... Here's a three shot group at 100 from a Kimber Montana 223. I posted it years ago here, but can't remember if it was a fixed 6x or a 2.5-8. Didn't duplicate it, but I did it once!
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I can't have you giggling and I'm not. Leupold 1.5-5. Last three down for the final Deer Season tune-up. Best of three, but a bunches of extra xxxx's wouldn't have significantly changed anything.
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Your comprehension skills are nonexistent. I simply stated why in my opinion most Kimber accuracy stories are probably due to idiot shooters, and shared my Kimber story Mathman and a few others likely confirmed my theory.
I never said to go out and buy 25x glass. But throwing a cheap 9X leupy in order to test the guns accuracy is just idiotic. Just for kicks, I threw on a vx3 10x scope one of my rifles today, and at 100 yards the crosshairs are bigger than the 1/4 inch bullseye. How in the fuuuck are you supposed to hit in the same spot multiple times, when you cannot even see the bullseye? The scope is fine for big game at short to medium distances, but that's about it. Apparently mathman is too facking cheap to buy a decent scope, so he has no idea what the difference really is.
Anyway, there is no point of arguing this further for me. If some of you would actually spend some time trying this [bleep], instead of typing tens of thousands of posts, you would actually know something....
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have tried it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about.
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Use a different target dumbass!
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6x42 fine duplex. 3x with 2.5min dot. 6x Read it: 6x-good chance a post and duplex. read it.
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You're proof that obtuse isn't just for angles.
I kinda like this. In a nerdy way. Dave
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PS- There are NO rifles comparable to the Kimber Montana.
None. Zero. Nada.
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have know it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about. fixed it for ya
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Your comprehension skills are nonexistent. I simply stated why in my opinion most Kimber accuracy stories are probably due to idiot shooters, and shared my Kimber story Mathman and a few others likely confirmed my theory.
I never said to go out and buy 25x glass. But throwing a cheap 9X leupy in order to test the guns accuracy is just idiotic. Just for kicks, I threw on a vx3 10x scope one of my rifles today, and at 100 yards the crosshairs are bigger than the 1/4 inch bullseye. How in the fuuuck are you supposed to hit in the same spot multiple times, when you cannot even see the bullseye? The scope is fine for big game at short to medium distances, but that's about it. Apparently mathman is too facking cheap to buy a decent scope, so he has no idea what the difference really is.
Anyway, there is no point of arguing this further for me. If some of you would actually spend some time trying this [bleep], instead of typing tens of thousands of posts, you would actually know something.... That problem is easily avoided by choosing an appropriate target, which I do and was mentioned in an earlier post. To demonstrate this point to a friend a while back I mounted a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 (actual top magnification 3.9x) on a Remington 40X chambered in 308 Winchester. The aim point of the targets I used was a large + symbol with the line thicknesses scaled to match well with the reticle at 300 yards. Using a box of factory Hornady 168 grain match ammo I sat down and shot a set of groups averaging below half moa. As to knowing the difference with using a "decent" higher magnification scope, I suppose I might have done a bit better with my Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40LR, my VX-III 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-3 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-6 3-18x44, my Swarovski 4-16x50 PV, my Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44, or another I'm forgetting. However that wasn't the point of the exercise at the time.
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Use a different target dumbass! Yep.
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Your comprehension skills are nonexistent. I simply stated why in my opinion most Kimber accuracy stories are probably due to idiot shooters, and shared my Kimber story Mathman and a few others likely confirmed my theory.
I never said to go out and buy 25x glass. But throwing a cheap 9X leupy in order to test the guns accuracy is just idiotic. Just for kicks, I threw on a vx3 10x scope one of my rifles today, and at 100 yards the crosshairs are bigger than the 1/4 inch bullseye. How in the fuuuck are you supposed to hit in the same spot multiple times, when you cannot even see the bullseye? The scope is fine for big game at short to medium distances, but that's about it. Apparently mathman is too facking cheap to buy a decent scope, so he has no idea what the difference really is.
Anyway, there is no point of arguing this further for me. If some of you would actually spend some time trying this [bleep], instead of typing tens of thousands of posts, you would actually know something.... That problem is easily avoided by choosing an appropriate target, which I do and was mentioned in an earlier post. To demonstrate this point to a friend a while back I mounted a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 (actual top magnification 3.9x) on a Remington 40X chambered in 308 Winchester. The aim point of the targets I used was a large + symbol with the line thicknesses scaled to match well with the reticle at 300 yards. Using a box of factory Hornady 168 grain match ammo I sat down and shot a set of groups averaging below half moa. As to knowing the difference with using a "decent" higher magnification scope, I suppose I might have done a bit better with my Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40LR, my VX-III 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-3 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-6 3-18x44, my Swarovski 4-16x50 PV, my Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44, or another I'm forgetting. However that wasn't the point of the exercise at the time. So you argued this big time, and now you are admitting that magnification does make a difference? Gotta love flip floppers....
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Use a different target dumbass! Doesnt make a bit of difference. This is should be apparent after you think about it a bit....
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have tried it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about. BTW, I'll be at the Cooper one shot in Hamilton this July. You bring your low power scope, and some cash. You game? Run your rifle not your mouth.....
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Your comprehension skills are nonexistent. I simply stated why in my opinion most Kimber accuracy stories are probably due to idiot shooters, and shared my Kimber story Mathman and a few others likely confirmed my theory.
I never said to go out and buy 25x glass. But throwing a cheap 9X leupy in order to test the guns accuracy is just idiotic. Just for kicks, I threw on a vx3 10x scope one of my rifles today, and at 100 yards the crosshairs are bigger than the 1/4 inch bullseye. How in the fuuuck are you supposed to hit in the same spot multiple times, when you cannot even see the bullseye? The scope is fine for big game at short to medium distances, but that's about it. Apparently mathman is too facking cheap to buy a decent scope, so he has no idea what the difference really is.
Anyway, there is no point of arguing this further for me. If some of you would actually spend some time trying this [bleep], instead of typing tens of thousands of posts, you would actually know something.... That problem is easily avoided by choosing an appropriate target, which I do and was mentioned in an earlier post. To demonstrate this point to a friend a while back I mounted a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 (actual top magnification 3.9x) on a Remington 40X chambered in 308 Winchester. The aim point of the targets I used was a large + symbol with the line thicknesses scaled to match well with the reticle at 300 yards. Using a box of factory Hornady 168 grain match ammo I sat down and shot a set of groups averaging below half moa. As to knowing the difference with using a "decent" higher magnification scope, I suppose I might have done a bit better with my Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40LR, my VX-III 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-3 6.5-20x40LR, my VX-6 3-18x44, my Swarovski 4-16x50 PV, my Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44, or another I'm forgetting. However that wasn't the point of the exercise at the time. So you argued this big time, and now you are admitting that magnification does make a difference? Gotta love flip floppers.... God you are dense.
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have tried it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about. BTW, I'll be at the Cooper one shot in Hamilton this July. You bring your low power scope, and some cash. You game? Run your rifle not your mouth..... Ho Lee [bleep], I'm rolling here. One shot at 150, closest to the X. You're going to a Turkey shoot for rifles. What a hoooot 😳
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