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Normally I carry a 9mm or .45. But there are times I have to carry something small such as a .380, .32 H&R, or .38 Special. When those times come, that's what I carry. I beats the hell out of being unarmed. So yeah, it's not my first choice, but there are times I'll trust my life to a .380.
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Ken Waters in "Pet Loads" talking about a .380 load consisting of a Hornady 115 grain HP over 3.5 grains of Unique fired into a row of water filled half gallon milk jugs.
"It zipped through a total of four feet of these jugs, blowing caps and water over a 15-foot circle and still had power remaining to penetrate one side of a 55-gallon steel drum set behind the water jugs." Ken watters is one of my old guru's. looking it up: "it has penetrated up to 11 thicknesses of 1/2inch homosote boards in my pentration test box where boards are spaced 3/4inch apart. turned on a row of half gallon plastic jugs filled with water and capped, it zipped through a total of four feet of these jugs, blowing caps and water over a 15foot circle, and still had power enough remaining to penetrate one side of a 55gallon steel drum set behind the water jugs.. These tests were performed before witnesses and succeeded in impressing all observers including this writer. Last comment was "by contrast the most any 38special or 357magnum load penetrated was 14thicknesses of homosote. He went on to say bullet expansion was disappointing, which partially accounts for the penetration. They expanded little or none at all, measuring anywhere from their unfired .355 diameters, to a maximum of .456 with an average of .380 to .385. He was using a star super-sm.
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Yes My grab and go on an errand gun is 380 Has been for years, never felt insecure.
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Ken Waters in "Pet Loads" talking about a .380 load consisting of a Hornady 115 grain HP over 3.5 grains of Unique fired into a row of water filled half gallon milk jugs.
"It zipped through a total of four feet of these jugs, blowing caps and water over a 15-foot circle and still had power remaining to penetrate one side of a 55-gallon steel drum set behind the water jugs." Ken watters is one of my old guru's. looking it up: "it has penetrated up to 11 thicknesses of 1/2inch homosote boards in my pentration test box where boards are spaced 3/4inch apart. turned on a row of half gallon plastic jugs filled with water and capped, it zipped through a total of four feet of these jugs, blowing caps and water over a 15foot circle, and still had power enough remaining to penetrate one side of a 55gallon steel drum set behind the water jugs.. These tests were performed before witnesses and succeeded in impressing all observers including this writer. Last comment was "by contrast the most any 38special or 357magnum load penetrated was 14thicknesses of homosote. He went on to say bullet expansion was disappointing, which partially accounts for the penetration. They expanded little or none at all, measuring anywhere from their unfired .355 diameters, to a maximum of .456 with an average of .380 to .385. He was using a star super-sm. Yeah,..he mentioned that it surprised him and everybody else. I wouldn't have thought that the load would have that much penetration, but I can't see why he'd have any reason to lie about it. It was just another handload to him.
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Only after my real guns ran out of ammo.
Honestly, these threads looking for justification to carry only a mouse gun are a little silly. If you're serious about needing a gun to defend yourself, do you want "maybe adequate", or something better? If you don't seriously need it, carry what you want, it doesn't matter.
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Kind of like shooting deer with a .223 or elk with a 243...
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Out of curiosity I took a look at some of the 380 ammo available from Underwood. I have to say, there are some pretty spicy loads there. https://underwoodammo.com/product-category/caliber/380-acp/
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If my only option were a 380, like you I would have to go with the Beretta 84. Great gun, 13 round mag (IIRC) the ones that I've had shoot well. I think the 13 rounds in the 84, Trumps, the 5 in a 38 special. Especially with good ammo and if you are going to use, it that's the only way to go.
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In the graphs above, why do you think the 22 scored so high for fatality?
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In the graphs above, why do you think the 22 scored so high for fatality? Shot placement.
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Probably so. I would think that a lot of the 22's were shot from ruger rifles..
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wish they had another graph to show percentage of incidents by caliber
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That's the first graph in the article.
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That's the first graph in the article. Thanks. Aren't you up kinda early?
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Probably so. I would think that a lot of the 22's were shot from ruger rifles.. Or Marlins, Winchesters, etc.
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Up late. I have odd schedules as I'm retired and the snow is deep...grin
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yes, much higher percentage of well aimed hits with the rifles..if they counted these in the study.
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