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Crossfire,
I believe you have a pretty good handle on how to go about such things.
Whats amazing to me is how the wizards of smart are consistently wrong !
Liberals are plain dangerous, whether it's our infrastructure our economy or foreign policy.
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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BTW cross, you've been nailing it. Thanks, .....damn sure took a while to figure the thing out, though. Just grabbed this phoucen jewel off a news site
By late Sunday night, water from Lake Oroville was no longer rushing over the top of the dam’s emergency spillway, thanks to efforts by California water authorities to increase the flow of water out of the reservoir. But the spillways sustained damage during Sunday’s flooding. Officials are attempting to measure ...
DEFINES the root of this problem,....these idiots actually THINK they have "authority" over this, and other primordially forced events. Us ?.....mushrooms, ....feed 'em schidt and keep em' in the dark. GTC
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I'll be dammed! THNX Studying this: ![[Linked Image]](http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x59/sharpsrifle/17_02-Oroville-_zpsplbbxebd.jpg) And This: ![[Linked Image]](http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x59/sharpsrifle/oroville%20cutaway_zps41yvqqd3.jpg) After reading this:
According to available geological maps, the Oroville Dam is build on the Smartville ophiolite, consisting of dark grey, steeply-dipping and strongly foliated metamorphic rocks. Once of volcanic origin, erupted in an ancient sea, the rocks were uplifted and metamorphosed during the formation of the Sierra Nevada.
This description seems to match the rocks visible in published photos of the main spillway damage. Some comments have also suggested that the first hole in the main spillway developed above an altered zone of rock, as its more brownish coloration would suggest. Altered rock is more permeable and prone to erosion than massive rock. It's possible that water infiltrated below the concrete of the spillway, eroding the weakened rock until the concrete collapsed into the forming sinkhole. Which means that now running water can directly erode the bedrock, causing more damage (this possible explanation can however only be confirmed by a direct investigation of the exposed rocks).
Metamorphic rocks often cause engineering problems, as such rocks are often folded, resulting in tectonized/fractured areas in an otherwise stable rock mass. Also, the particular structure (the geological correct term is texture) of such rocks poses a problem. Metamorphic foliation forms when elongated or plate-shaped minerals (like micas) are forced by tectonic pressure into a same alignment. Between the minerals the parallel surfaces of the foliation form weak zones, prone to break. If such surfaces are tilted entire packets of rock can easily slip and be washed away by water.
FINALLY gives one the idea of what's in play here,....after days of listening to distorted sound bytes, and listening to talking heads blither mutilated notes provided by panic stricken "Water managers" GTC
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I have to admit I am a bit puzzled by the authorities there letting some of the residents return to the area?
Maybe I'm missing something?
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I DO believe that the flat red oxide colored surface visible in the lower right central portion of the pic IS the core / headwall of whatever the hell that's supposed to be.
....a "spillway", emergency or otherwise, it sure as hell AIN'T,....
GTC
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So we have to ask why Kalifornia has spent so many billions of dollars on funding illegal invading aliens and "Social justice causes[/b]", and let their infrastructure decay. If the state government had spent 1/10 as much of their tax moneys on improvements and maintenance over the last 30 years as they have spent on funding invaders, I'd bet these things would not be nearly as threatening as they are.
Just a guess....but worth looking at.
Would that help now?
NO! You can't change the past.
But in the near future, about 200,000 displaced people might be a formidable coalition to start to fix their communist government for the better.
Few things will make people get interested in politics as much as loosing their homes and lifetime investments--- [b]because of political agendas they formerly didn't resist or pay attention to. infrastructures dont VOTE!
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Greg,
It looks more like a giant sinkhole to me. God help those people.
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Just a "quick reply"...not to anybody in particular...I'll make a prediction,...... that once the waters recede, we'll see that not only wasn't the main spillway ever in danger of being compromised, but the "emergency" spillway wasn't either...that the erosion we're seeing from the emergency spillway was expected and a concrete apron for the runoff had been proposed years ago. I'm seeing so much misinformation about this it blows my mind....earlier in this thread someone even suggested the laws of physics were reversing the flow of water into the river below and clogging turbines....crazy schitt... ![[Linked Image]](http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp11/tomt1951/ChickenLittle-1.jpg)
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I DO believe that the flat red oxide colored surface visible in the lower right central portion of the pic IS the core / headwall of whatever the hell that's supposed to be.
....a "spillway", emergency or otherwise, it sure as hell AIN'T,....
GTC Crossfire, that red oxide you are looking at is soil. The area has red soil.
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Condensed version .I'll make a prediction,...... that once the waters recede, we'll see that not only wasn't the main spillway ever in danger of being compromised, but the "emergency" spillway wasn't either...blah , blah, blah, etc....crazy schitt... yes, there certainly is some crazy schitt audible this AM 
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Are the almost 200,000 people still being kept away? I'm guessing it will not be the last time this spring. Evacuation is changed to a warning -- down from an order They can go home And the waterfowl? Have the mallards gotten the green light yet?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
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They really lucked out with the break in the weather.
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Greg,
It looks more like a giant sinkhole to me. God help those people. FLAT perfectly sloped soil after a torrent carved that hole,...nope, the triangular shaped sloped material is a CONCRETE structure, mate. looks to be where it ends, ...that or some of it's GONE. TC
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Condensed version .I'll make a prediction,...... that once the waters recede, we'll see that not only wasn't the main spillway ever in danger of being compromised, but the "emergency" spillway wasn't either...blah , blah, blah, etc....crazy schitt... yes, there certainly is some crazy schitt audible this AM  .....Ok...I'll bump this thread back up after the waters recede whether I'm right or wrong....I MAY be wrong, but I don't think so...You gotta admit though....that gem about water and debris flowing back upstream to clog the turbines was pretty funny....
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that gem about water and debris flowing back upstream to clog the turbines was pretty funny.... Funny ? You really ARE a bit lost as regards some pretty BASIC hydraulics, aren't you. You ever seen the bouyed "chain curtains" that are hung in front of the turbine discharges at MOST hydro dams ? Worked on them during emergency shutdowns to clear logs that made it over a spillway .....and then were SUCKED back up stream by the vortices ? soaked to the bloody bone and freezing your nuts off while trying to wield a heavy exothermic torch ? I doubt it,..... Maybe you oughta' grab your stash and head for Oroville to calm everybody with your nonsense, it's not going to sell well here, Bud. GTC
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Yeah, if he thinks sheit can't go back the other way, he ain't been around water much.
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An entire army of degreed engineers isn't worth what one man with common sense AND intelligence, that knows how and why things work the way they do.
That application of common sense and intelligence ought to be the most important part of an engineer's license test.
But, it's a hard thing to put into an examination.
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Yeah, if he thinks sheit can't go back the other way, he ain't been around water much. Well, you of all people would have a damn good feel for that. Dealing with the off the wall crap that turns up on these threads is truly a character development exercise. I just get sorely PISSED at having third grade level child-speak thrown at me by these "media" types,....as noted the distillation of complete gibberish handed them by factotums that are paid , VERY well paid to behave and speak as scientists,.....not a herd of azz covering political bag lickers. This all becomes REALLY important , now that we begin looking inward at our infrastructure,....a "test case" as it were. The original prints for the contracts let on this dam reside somewhere,....let's hope they don't get "destroyed by mildew and mold" the way the ones for the Nimitz Freeway so conveniently were. GTC
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So we have to ask why Kalifornia has spent so many billions of dollars on funding illegal invading aliens and "Social justice causes", and let their infrastructure decay. If the state government had spent 1/10 as much of their tax moneys on improvements and maintenance over the last 30 years as they have spent on funding invaders, I'd bet these things would not be nearly as threatening as they are.
Just a guess....but worth looking at.
Would that help now?
NO! You can't change the past.
But in the near future, about 200,000 displaced people might be a formidable coalition to start to fix their communist government for the better.
Few things will make people get interested in politics as much as loosing their homes and lifetime investments--- because of political agendas they formerly didn't resist or pay attention to. The counties in trouble voted red. Hell most of Northern California above sac and the gay area is red.
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I guess you need to open your cum dumpster again and clarify your comment.
Probably a regional thing but you should know that most men don't use their mouths for that. Be sure to floss. Thanks, Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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