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crow_hunter, I haven't agreed with much of what you've said on this thread, but the above post, I agree with 100%, don't like it, but I do agree with it. I wish we were in a world where things wouldn't play out like that, but I do believe you are perfectly on point on that post.

Cut the prices of their fares by a dollar and the public will forget all about boycotts and what they did to this poor doctor.

I just hope United makes some heads roll over policy failures, and gives better customer service and stays competitive.

If they go totally away, the remaining airline industry doesn't give much choice as far as customer pick.

Crow Hunter, I think it ironic that you should reference United's contract of carriage, which lays out provisions for "involuntary denied boarding" in cases when the flight has been oversold. So while on the one hand you seem to be mocking the public consensus that United effed up while waiving their contract, on the other hand you seem to be both unfamiliar with both the contract and the facts of this case. The doctor wasn't denied boarding, he was boarded and then forcibly removed. The difference is more than a subtle distinction and the later is not provided for in said contract. Furthermore, the flight was not oversold. It was decision of United to accommodate their own staff. Again, not provided for in the contract.

They are the third largest airline in the world, they aren't going anywhere because of this incident.

read it described as "Brand suicide."

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And I don't think United will lose business.

I think you have misinterpreted what I said, I'm not sure how you got any of that from my posts. I didn't reference United's contract of carriage, I said it doesn't matter because United's problem isn't a legal one it's a public relations one. I'm not mocking the public consensus that United effed up, I think this was about as big of a F up as you can get. I agree with the public consensus. They should have never called the cops, there were other ways they could have accomplished their objective of getting their crew on board without any of this happening but someone at United was too dumb, lazy, or arrogant to pursue them.

Maybe you got the idea that I'm mocking because of my comment about his "ambulance chasing lawyer". I'm just stating what I think will happen and let's face it, even if the Doctor is in the right, which I think he is, the type of lawyers that involve themselves in matters like this are ambulance chasers. They're doing it for their 33% of the award and the publicity, not "justice". Sometimes an ambulance chaser is what you need.

I don't know what United was or wasn't allowed to do under the law but here is a lawyers opinion of how United screwed up.
He claims under the current rules the bumping must happen before the passengers board the airplane.
Once the passengers board the plane the airline can not just remove someone unless they have acted up in some way.
In his opinion the bumping was illegal.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-airlines-dragging-passenger-off-201302721.html

United Airlines Dragging Passenger Off Plane Was Illegal
[International Business Times]
Juliana Rose Pignataro
International Business TimesApril 12, 2017

Not only did United Airlines make millions of enemies when it forcibly removed a passenger from a Louisville-bound flight, it also acted illegally, according to attorney Brian Mahany of Wisconsin-based Mahany Law.

Video emerged Sunday of aviation security officers physically removing a bloodied and screaming passenger from a flight by dragging him by his arms down the aisle of the plane. The company said it needed to make room for four of its employees on the flight and had randomly selected the man (along with three other passengers) after nobody volunteered to deplane.

“It’s illegal,” Mahany, who was part of a $16.6 billion fraud settlement with Bank of America in 2015 and specializes in consumer protection, told International Business Times in an interview Wednesday. “You can’t remove, under the current rules, a passenger once they’re seated on the aircraft. You can deny them entry if you’re overbooked, but once they’re on the aircraft, it’s a completely different set of rules.”

United, like all airlines, has protocol in place for overbooking incidents, said Mahany. Under United’s Rule 25: Denied Boarding Compensation, the airline lays out its responsibilities in dealing with an overbooked flight, but the rule deals only with passengers who have not yet boarded the plane.

Per these rules, the company would have had to deny entry to the passenger before, not after, he boarded the plane. In order to require someone to leave the plane who is already seated, Mahany said, they would need to provide a lawful reason.

“If they’re not dressed appropriately, if they have certain communicable diseases, if they’re drunk, if they’re violent, you can remove them,” he said. “If they don’t turn off their cell phone when they’re supposed to, you can remove them. If they won’t obey lawful instructions from a crew member, you can remove them. But telling someone, ‘Hey, we’ve overbooked, get off the plane,’ that wouldn’t be a lawful instruction.”

LawNewz, a website run by legal correspondent Dan Abrams, agreed that the company acted illegally when it forced the passenger to de-plane. The Department of Transportation's Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings said in a statement Tuesday that it had begun reviewing what happened on the flight.

“The Department remains committed to ensuring that airlines comply with consumer protection regulations and will not speculate during the review process on this matter,” it said, explaining that it would determine whether or not the airline complied with the DOT's "oversales rule."

The statement noted that “it is legal for airlines to involuntarily bump passengers when there are not enough volunteers” and that “it is the airline’s responsibility to determine its own fair boarding priorities.” It also explained that the airline would have to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and detailing how the airline decided who was bumped, and that "the Department mandates compensation and other protections for passengers who have confirmed reserved space on a flight." The Department of Justice also said it was reviewing the incident.

Don't forget, Airlines have a vast team of lawyers on the payroll too.

All of that doesn't matter. When the jury sees the video and thinks that could be me. The Airline will just have to pay off. That is if it ever goes to trial. Hasbeen

The saying "Tried in the court of public opinion" has never been more applicable.

Rush covered this in length the other day. At the end of the show, he had some "new" eveidence that has come to light.

Apparently the Dr was on the phone with someone just before or during the altercation. He was overheard or recorded as saying something to the effect, I'm going to make a scene and win a big law suit".

If true, and the jury hears this evidence, then his payoff plans may far short, really short.

United must be worried.. just heard on Fox that they're re-imbursing all of the passengers of that flight.. Just caught the tail end of the story so I'm not sure what or how much it will be..

This sissy boy,who sneaked back on the plane after he was escorted off the plane,fits all of the criteria needed to fulfill the liberals wet dream of victim-hood.

He is a homosexual,a convicted felon,a drug abuser,a sexual harasser and an all-around sumbag.

Lawyers conducting a press conference NOW.

United is going to get hammered on this one. Now I'd put this in the 10's of millions for settlement if not more. Wonder how many other passengers will declare anxiety, trauma and bad dreams?

The passenger:

Concussion
2 broken front teeth
Broken nose with sinus reconstruction required

Lawyers also dragging City of Chicago into this. As well as a 20 month pregnant woman in the next seat who is now in a state of fear.

Asians [b][color:#3333FF]now boycotting[/color][/b] United.

CEO will be sacrificed shortly...

The way the lawyers are talking the whole danged airport may have cause for suit. He called it angst.

Social media firestorm.......is a fart and a match.
Nobody gives a flip really.
United will drop ticket prices maybe, for a while, folks will sell their souls to save a buck.

I just want to see the felon dr slammed on his next flight.
Maybe airport security will get it right next time.

I could see a new addition to the "no fly list". What airline would want him on board thier plane?