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That. He didnt want the "smart" ones in Heaven, those who lean onto their own understanding.

John 3-16.

Starman, I would like to see that scripture.

Now, as to "pastors" and molesting, it surely has happened, as they too are sinners.

But you referred to the church. The church, to Him,is His followers.

You should have referred to priests, not pastors, as you were indicting The Church, not His church. His church follows His word, the bible, not mans interpretation of same.

People, including "wise" bible scholars, spend their lives trying to understand Gods thoughts and the "real" meanings of His words when they are blind to what He directs. The "wise" try to interpret His thoughts while they reject His instruction to them, then, as He says, they try to justify what they do, using His words to try and trip Him up.

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and He is in Heaven.

Who says to lay down our arms when He said Luke 22:36New International Version (NIV)

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Who says to do away with the death penalty as it is killing, when He said for the elders of the church to hunt down and stone murderers.

Who said Thou shalt not kill, when He said, Thou shalt not commit murder?

The wolf truly does come in sheeps clothing and many false prophets will come in His name and many will be led astray and there will be a great gnashing of teeth.

Let those who would hear, take ear and take heed. His words were not spoken in vain and were spoken as a warning for those who add to or subtract from His words and should invoke fear.

Amen.

Remember, He asked "Who will stand up for me?"

There are millions who will stand up for their 'church'.

Nice goats PS.

I hope you have some more good luck this year.

Jax,

The talking donkey is in Numbers:

22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
22:30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

Not really, pedophile pastors claim to be part of the broad church of Christ...and a pastor is in some places
otherwise know as a parish priest...Parish priests , have what is referred to as 'pastoral care' of their parish or community.



All those yrs as a christian and you don't know your Bible....
Judges 9:8
Numbers 22:30

do you also need help finding the talking snake?

One can believe , but still not commit themselves to such...scripture states the devil believes in God,
but is not committed to God, many 'believer' humans are the same.

You start out:"How about Christians........".

How about you?

Do you only know Satan because you read about him?

And........ I've never seen a post from you expressing gratitude to God for anything.

Easy answer, A. S. PRIDE.

Not just pride in yourself, but prizing human intelligence above wisdom, which comes from God.

I would say that Satan believed.

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Surely, one who heals others in the name of Jesus has to believe in Jesus, yet the Lord says He will tell some of them to depart as He never knew them.

Its obvious His definition of "believe" is different than our understanding of the word. He must mean that believing means knowing that even If you believe in Him you have to also "believe" you have to do Gods bidding and do it.

"A whoremonger will not enter into the kingdom of heaven" even if they believe in Jesus Christ.

Another scripture reveals 'I tell you to not only know the word, but do it, in order that you be not deceived'.

Did these not 'believe' Jesus was Christ?

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness'.

Lawlessness- those not following His laws, His instruction, doing His Fathers bidding, "loving above all things".

Believing Jesus existed and believing on or in Him isnt the same thing. Believing in Him, people will believe His words and that they have to believe they have to do His bidding to be saved, or Satan would be saved.

Thanks AS and Starman. I am familiar with those verses. I was thinking Starman indicated scripture relating donkeys conversing/discussing things with plants.

One of the pitfalls of the Bible. It has been translated so much that there are differences between what you might read and our common usage of the language. I don't try to make out like I understand it all, but I am aware that my reading might not be correct all of the time. I have had people try to explain parts of it when I did not believe their interpretation. miles

Thanks Miles. I know people who think all we have to do is believe Jesus died for us and rose on the third day.

My thinking is that we are remiss in dismissing His warning that we have to do the will of the Father.

Romans 10:9, If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Your ignorance of the translations is showing. All the Bibles I have were translated directly from the available Hebrew and Greek documents. That is except the Living Bible. That one is a paraphrase of the King James; which was translated from the original languages.

This is only because they get brainwashed beyond their ability to use logic. Many times I have challenged folks here to come up with two creationists Ph.D physical scientists who after they earned their doctorate became evolutionists and I will come up with a dozen evolutionist Ph.D physical scientists who after they earned their doctorate became creationists.

Bump.

Explain thou shalt not kill. miles

Yep, bad translation there for sure. I cant believe they put that in the KJV.

He said more accurately, Thou shalt not commit murder.

He also said, Thou shalt not be bear false witness against thy neighbor. In correctly repeated as thou shall not lie.