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Thousands of years ago, AS, He said His message of good news would be spread around the world. His miracles were seen by enough in the Holy Land to turn the Babylon of Rome and the mightiest army on earth toward the destruction of His Word and them. There was a reason He is alive and they have died. He even told us of naysayers like you. We know where you come from. You lean on your science, the science He made. He didn't want us to have scientific proof. If there were, even the stiff necked would believe. He doesnt need those without faith up there. As folks had faith as a little child in their parents, He expects the same from those He created if they want Him to provide for them. Did you, as a child, ask your parents for proof they made and cared for and would provide for you? They gave you life. He would give you everlasting life if you would trust Him as you once did them.

You nor anyone deserves faith. If you did He would provide it. None of us deserve it. He operates through the spirit. All of us have one. You have the choice of following it or the flesh- the physical if you wish. Beat your mighty chest and tell all you wish for proof. Then, wish in one hand and crap in the other.

It was written. It was done. Jesus died for all of us even you (but you deserve to see him leave the tomb). His word was spread over the world. A miracle was done before your eyes in your lifetime, that was promised ages ago.

Lean on your science and tell us it was a lucky guess by a bunch of itinerant goat herders. Now you know why He thinks as He does of the "wise". You are wise in your own eyes. You are blind because you want to be.

Clear instructions.

That's so funny.

Salvation is by faith alone.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:18, 36

Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Acts 16:30-31

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth.... As it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:16-17

A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. Romans 4:13

Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1

If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:9

A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:16

The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith. Galatians 3:11-12

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

Salvation is not by faith alone.

For you render to each one according to his works. Psalm 62:12
The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin. Proverbs 10:16

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14

I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Jeremiah 17:10

When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul. Ezekiel 18:27

I will judge you ... every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 18:30

Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matthew 12:37

For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Matthew 16:27

If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:17

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:41-46

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. Luke 10:26-28

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:29

Who will render to each one according to his deeds.... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified. Romans 2:6, 13

For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:15

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12

Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:22

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? James 2:14

Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:17

Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:21-25

The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work. 1 Peter 1:17

I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Revelation 2:23

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:12-13

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life. Revelation 22:14

Nice diatribe, but you provided no evidentiary support for any of it.

In addition, you completely avoided my previous question, regarding why should we believe the theistic claims of these specific texts. How can you demonstrate they are authoritative? What can you offer for independent corroboration?

There are thousands of other god claims, why this one?

We know the text have been extensively redacted (rewritten), combined and changed over time. What we call 4 four gospels are all by anomalous sources, and all we have is copies, of copies, of copies, of copies. We even know some of the canonized books are out-and-out forgeries.

So before you can claim this book tells you the mind of God, you must first establish it's reliability. If you cannot do that, our beliefs are without basis.

And "Believe the Bible because the Bible tells you to.", is called Circular Reasoning.

I never saw your post as i was busy typing. I will read it now.

I erred in my post when i said no one deserves faith and edited it to 'deserves proof'.

When you build something you get to dictate to it, not vice versa.

You aint the boss. The boss said no proof. The boss said have faith if you want to be saved. You dont have to. You can be your own boss, but you wont get saved. If He gave you proof everyone would know they have to do it or die. Then you'd be pissed at the boss about what he was making you do.

If i had proof i wouldnt show it to you. Everyone else has faith, if they want the good news.

Oh, so you have faith in those scientists who a few years ago discovered how a high wind could have parted the waters for Moses and his people. Of course, they neglected to explain why the wind would mysteriously pick up to the right speed from the right direction at just the right time and just thd right duration to let Moses and his crew through and then calmed down and caused the egyptians to drown.
Hey, they found a shallow shoal that got exposed in the wind proving it was explainable and therefore God didnt really part the waters. Ha. Your scientists, like those who predicted a 20 inch rise in the oceans by this time from 30 years ago.
The scientists John Bates, an acclaimed NOAA award winning one who denounced the global warming BS and chicanery.

AS, do you even know if your so called scientists were hired by Zero. You want to bet your life on a bunch of lying liberal progressive paid for dimocraps.

Yep. The wise lean on their own understanding. You were right again, Lord.

Oh, so you have faith in those scientists who a few years ago discovered how a high wind could have parted the waters for Moses and his people. Of course, they neglected to explain why the wind would mysteriously pick up to the right speed from the right direction at just the right time and just thd right duration to let Moses and his crew through and then calmed down and caused the egyptians to drown.
Hey, they found a shallow shoal that got exposed in the wind proving it was explainable and therefore God didnt really part the waters. Ha. Your scientists, like those who predicted a 20 inch rise in the oceans by this time from 30 years ago.
The scientists John Bates, an acclaimed NOAA award winning one who denounced the global warming BS and chicanery.

AS, do you even know if your so called scientists were hired by Zero. You want to bet your life on a bunch of lying liberal progressive paid for dimocraps.

Yep. The wise lean on their own understanding. You were right again, Lord.

just the other day, read a posting about a chaldean archer assigned to the roman brigade in jerusalem. found and encountered a young hebrew girl. mary i think was her name. they became entwined, and a child was borne. maybe it was all circumstantial, i don't know. i wasn't there. but the record is available for scrutiny. maybe further research is needed?

Gus,

There's at least 6 Mary's in the NT. It was a very common name, so it's no real surprise that a Roman soldier knocked one up. Heck it would be more surprising if the Roman Soldier were not taking an interest in the local girls.

Why do you believe there were Marys in the New Testament and yet reject the Central Figure of the New Testament? You're trying to convince those who believe there was no vigin birth by appealing to a rape for which there is no record.