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I know I'm probably gonna get hammered for this, but to this day I don't understand the all in "magnum" crowd. Especially for deer hunting but in my view it could even extend to bear and elk except in cases of having the same energy at greater distances.
I entered some parameters on the Hodgdon reloading site. A 180 grain bullet for a 30-06 and a 180 grain bullet for a 300 Weatherby Magnum. Taking the top powder charge listed for both, basically the 300 Weatherby Magnum is a 43% increase in powder for under a 12% increase in speed. Using a recoil formula with an 8 lb rifle and a 180 grain bullet for both, the Weatherby would deliver a 60% increase in felt recoil! For what? You are still hitting the animal with the same .308 caliber bullet.
I don't get it even for normal bear hunting. If I keep shots under 250 yds with an 06 and I can shoot it accurately without flinching, I will kill any black bear on the planet with as much authority as can be expected when dealing with bears.
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Lol. Are you saying some brow beatings are coming my way?
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I'd rather die in a BAD gunfight than a GOOD nursing home.
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Lol. Well until someone can convince me of the authentication and year that deer developed armor plating, I'm going to remain highly skeptical of the magnums advantages and efficiency.
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Lol. Are you saying some brow beatings are coming my way? Haha. I'll oblige  I know us dudes act tough and some of us even pretend not to care about recoil, like not even think about it at all, and of course it's all a farce because we have little weeners. I know. But don't tell my wife, she prefers the 300 WSM which is a bitchy magnum, I know, to my 30-06 and since she doesn't have a little weener like us guys to tell her to be scared she doesn't even complain about recoil. She just nuts right up to it and shoots it. Sometimes $hit falls down afterwards too. Probably her tits pad the kick enough for her to tolerate it. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/47288.jpg)
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And here I am mostly using my lowly .308,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in a lever action,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,99 Sometimes I carry a model 70 in .243  Lately I have been drawn for Muzzleloader so I bought a .50 cal. I will call that my big bore magnum if I put full load into it.
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And here I am mostly using my lowly .308,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in a lever action,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,99 Sometimes I carry a model 70 in .243 Lately I have been drawn for Muzzleloader so I bought a .50 cal. I will call that my big bore magnum if I put full load into it. The 243 was just invented so the 308 didn't feel so bad about its little weener. You can't possibly kill stuff with those 2 guns, do you? 
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My pistol is a 30-06so my rifle has to be bigger. Right? Ed k
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I know I'm probably gonna get hammered for this, but to this day I don't understand the all in "magnum" crowd. Especially for deer hunting but in my view it could even extend to bear and elk except in cases of having the same energy at greater distances.
I entered some parameters on the Hodgdon reloading site. A 180 grain bullet for a 30-06 and a 180 grain bullet for a 300 Weatherby Magnum. Taking the top powder charge listed for both, basically the 300 Weatherby Magnum is a 43% increase in powder for under a 12% increase in speed. Using a recoil formula with an 8 lb rifle and a 180 grain bullet for both, the Weatherby would deliver a 60% increase in felt recoil! For what? You are still hitting the animal with the same .308 caliber bullet.
I don't get it even for normal bear hunting. If I keep shots under 250 yds with an 06 and I can shoot it accurately without flinching, I will kill any black bear on the planet with as much authority as can be expected when dealing with bears. Cool thing is you dont have to get it. Shoot what you like, as we all do. Last I checked there is only 1 level of dead. I enjoy shooting magnums. Not recoil sensitive at all. If a boring 308 trips your prick, then have at it. No wrong way here, but for sure more than 1 right way
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Under 250?
Must be an eastern thing.
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I figure a gun is just a tool. If it works, fine with me. I hunted elk with a 300 WSM for years. Then I took a recall of all the elk I'd shot with it and there wasn't a single one that I couldn't have got just as well with a 30-06 that weighs a pound less. That pound counts more for me than the cool of the magnum.
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Under 250?
Must be an eastern thing. That's why I said except for same energy at greater distances. The "magnum" bug infects even easterners. I see untold amount of guys lugging those long barreled cannon's around in the deer woods and they are actually convinced they are at an advantage. True believers.
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My favorite magnum story..... At the gym I used to go to, a couple of young guys were talking about rifles and my ears perked up. One of the guys said he hunted deer with a 300 Remington Ultra mag. I butted into their conversation asking if Grizzlys were a problem on his deer lease (we were in South Ga). They both laughed and the fella told me that the reason he bought a 300 RUM was that his buddy had a 7mm RUM and he was tired of hearing him brag about it. More than one magnum has probably been sold for that very reason! 
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Shade, I believe they call it, "Diminishing Returns". Twice the input does not produce twice the output.
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Once again is there more than 1 level of dead? If others can easily handle the added recoil, then what does it matter?
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The simple answer is that a magnum overrides the need for good shot placement or the need to hunt the wind. A big scope means you never need to get more than a few feet from the truck unless you have power windows. Muzzle blast is a bitch with magnums so make sure you put your beer in a cup holder, you'll spill beer on the dash otherwise.
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