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And as far as weight goes, all of my "magnums" have been sub 7lb rifles. Some sub 6lb.
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Once again is there more than 1 level of dead? If others can easily handle the added recoil, then what does it matter? Once again is there more than 1 level of dead? If others can easily handle the added recoil, then what does it matter? DRT and dead after a long chase are two very different things.
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As Long as somone is willing to buy then why not build and sell them...I agree with you compleatly I dearly love the 30-06 for most hunting situations and never leave home without one as at least a backup...there is a nich market for magnum class rifles and there are times when the 06 just won't preform well....one of my farms has a river bottom field I hunt where the potential of an 800 yd shot could be made with the right equipment....I usually Cary the a custom l61 r sako in 300 why....farthest to date is a tad over 400 and those 200 gr AB s hit hard even at that range.....the 06 is capable at 400 but not much further ...
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Once again is there more than 1 level of dead? If others can easily handle the added recoil, then what does it matter? Once again is there more than 1 level of dead? If others can easily handle the added recoil, then what does it matter? DRT and dead after a long chase are two very different things. You're kinda making my point
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I know I'm probably gonna get hammered for this, but to this day I don't understand the all in "magnum" crowd. Especially for deer hunting but in my view it could even extend to bear and elk except in cases of having the same energy at greater distances.
I entered some parameters on the Hodgdon reloading site. A 180 grain bullet for a 30-06 and a 180 grain bullet for a 300 Weatherby Magnum. Taking the top powder charge listed for both, basically the 300 Weatherby Magnum is a 43% increase in powder for under a 12% increase in speed. Using a recoil formula with an 8 lb rifle and a 180 grain bullet for both, the Weatherby would deliver a 60% increase in felt recoil! For what? You are still hitting the animal with the same .308 caliber bullet.
I don't get it even for normal bear hunting. If I keep shots under 250 yds with an 06 and I can shoot it accurately without flinching, I will kill any black bear on the planet with as much authority as can be expected when dealing with bears. Cool thing is you dont have to get it. Shoot what you like, as we all do. Last I checked there is only 1 level of dead. I enjoy shooting magnums. Not recoil sensitive at all. If a boring 308 trips your prick, then have at it. No wrong way here, but for sure more than 1 right way Agreed. Guess why I said that I was thinking of a Jim Shockey show I watched, who I genuinely like. But he made the comment on this show that I believe I'm correct in remembering was about bear hunting....black bear in this case. And he said he likes to have hunters show up with a 300 magnum, minimum. I don't get that at all. Most of the bear I ever seen killed at his camps looked like they were under 200 yd shots. Seems to me if you are talking about the same caliber, bullet structure and bullet placement would be way more important than more powder but maybe I'm being closed minded.
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Truth be told my all time favorite rifle round is the 3006. But that being said I'm a gun lover. I also enjoy killing chit with magnums that kill deer too dead
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I know I'm probably gonna get hammered for this, but to this day I don't understand the all in "magnum" crowd. Especially for deer hunting but in my view it could even extend to bear and elk except in cases of having the same energy at greater distances.
I entered some parameters on the Hodgdon reloading site. A 180 grain bullet for a 30-06 and a 180 grain bullet for a 300 Weatherby Magnum. Taking the top powder charge listed for both, basically the 300 Weatherby Magnum is a 43% increase in powder for under a 12% increase in speed. Using a recoil formula with an 8 lb rifle and a 180 grain bullet for both, the Weatherby would deliver a 60% increase in felt recoil! For what? You are still hitting the animal with the same .308 caliber bullet.
I don't get it even for normal bear hunting. If I keep shots under 250 yds with an 06 and I can shoot it accurately without flinching, I will kill any black bear on the planet with as much authority as can be expected when dealing with bears. Cool thing is you dont have to get it. Shoot what you like, as we all do. Last I checked there is only 1 level of dead. I enjoy shooting magnums. Not recoil sensitive at all. If a boring 308 trips your prick, then have at it. No wrong way here, but for sure more than 1 right way Agreed. Guess why I said that I was thinking of a Jim Shockey show I watched, who I genuinely like. But he made the comment on this show that I believe I'm correct in remembering was about bear hunting....black bear in this case. And he said he likes to have hunters show up with a 300 magnum, minimum. I don't get that at all. Most of the bear I ever seen killed at his camps looked like they were under 200 yd shots. Seems to me if you are talking about the same caliber, bullet structure and bullet placement would be way more important than more powder but maybe I'm being closed minded. There isnt much that a properly placed 06 wont fall to. Guessing nothing really
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Magnums do exactly what "standard" cartridges do, but at greater distances.
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I figure a gun is just a tool. If it works, fine with me. I hunted elk with a 300 WSM for years. Then I took a recall of all the elk I'd shot with it and there wasn't a single one that I couldn't have got just as well with a 30-06 that weighs a pound less. That pound counts more for me than the cool of the magnum. The 300 WSM is a MINO "Magnum In Name Only."
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And here I am mostly using my lowly .308,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in a lever action,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,99  Sometimes I carry a model 70 in .243  Lately I have been drawn for Muzzleloader so I bought a .50 cal. I will call that my big bore magnum if I put full load into it. The 243 was just invented so the 308 didn't feel so bad about its little weener. You can't possibly kill stuff with those 2 guns, do you?  I feel under gunned a lot of the times, but everything I have shot at falls down dead for some reason. Maybe I should get a .270 magnum AI 
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Some are sensitive to recoil, some are not. Some like to milk the cartridge for every possible fps, others not fixed on that. The term "magnum" had certain meaning 50 years ago - seems to mean different things these days. The technical definition was interesting when first I read it.
Despite the proclivities, favorites, myths and bragging points - it all seems to boil down to consistently excellent shooting accuracy with good bullets.
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A few years ago, a local retailer had Mark X Mausers for sale at $199. When I got there, all they had left was a 300 Win. Mag. so I bought it. If all they had was an '06, I would have bought that. It is easy to load to '06 levels with 155 grain bullets for deer hunting. I also load near max loads with 180 grain partitions for elk hunting. It seems to be a flexible cartridge.
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A few years ago, a local retailer had Mark X Mausers for sale at $199. When I got there, all they had left was a 300 Win. Mag. so I bought it. If all they had was an '06, I would have bought that. It is easy to load to '06 levels with 155 grain bullets for deer hunting. I also load near max loads with 180 grain partitions for elk hunting. It seems to be a flexible cartridge.
Don't blame ya. That was a good buy.
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Some are sensitive to recoil, some are not. Some like to milk the cartridge for every possibly fps, others not fixed on that. The term "magnum" had certain meaning 50 years ago - seems to mean different things these days. The technical definition was interesting when first I read it.
Despite the proclivities, favorites, myths and bragging points - it all seems to boil down to consistently excellent shooting accuracy with good bullets. This is true enough. It just grinds some people's gears that some people can comfortably shoot bigger cartridges than they can. Of course it's equally grating to hear stuff like (it doesn't matter where you hit them with a magnum, they're going down"
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A few years ago, a local retailer had Mark X Mausers for sale at $199....
A few??? Methinks you're showing your age a bit. 
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The simple answer is that a magnum overrides the need for good shot placement or the need to hunt the wind. A big scope means you never need to get more than a few feet from the truck unless you have power windows. Muzzle blast is a bitch with magnums so make sure you put your beer in a cup holder, you'll spill beer on the dash otherwise. Love it! That's good chit right there. I'm going to grab my 300WSM and a 12 pack.
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Some are sensitive to recoil, some are not. Some like to milk the cartridge for every possibly fps, others not fixed on that. The term "magnum" had certain meaning 50 years ago - seems to mean different things these days. The technical definition was interesting when first I read it.
Despite the proclivities, favorites, myths and bragging points - it all seems to boil down to consistently excellent shooting accuracy with good bullets. This is true enough. It just grinds some people's gears that some people can comfortably shoot bigger cartridges than they can. Of course it's equally grating to hear stuff like (it doesn't matter where you hit them with a magnum, they're going down" My hunting pard carries a Rem 700 in .300 win mag. I have a Mod 70 in 7mm Rem mag. I would rather shoot his 300 over my 7mm. His seems to kick about the same as my .308 where my 7mm has a sharper kick. Maybe I will change stocks on it and see if that helps. I can shoot my .50 BMG more than my 7mm. More of a push like a 10 ga than the sharpness of the 7mm.
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Lol. Are you saying some brow beatings are coming my way? Haha. I'll oblige I know us dudes act tough and some of us even pretend not to care about recoil, like not even think about it at all, and of course it's all a farce because we have little weeners. I know. But don't tell my wife, she prefers the 300 WSM which is a bitchy magnum, I know, to my 30-06 and since she doesn't have a little weener like us guys to tell her to be scared she doesn't even complain about recoil. She just nuts right up to it and shoots it. Sometimes $hit falls down afterwards too. Probably her tits pad the kick enough for her to tolerate it. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/47288.jpg) So, where does she get a big weener? BTW, great looking elk killer you got there.
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ShadeTree,
You said it in your original post. One can get greater range with more velocity. There is no need to endure increased recoil. I use a brake and know no one around this area who doesn't. The same goes for electronic hearing enhancer / protection.
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I figure a gun is just a tool. If it works, fine with me. I hunted elk with a 300 WSM for years. Then I took a recall of all the elk I'd shot with it and there wasn't a single one that I couldn't have got just as well with a 30-06 that weighs a pound less. That pound counts more for me than the cool of the magnum. The 300 WSM is a MINO "Magnum In Name Only." It's a lot closer to a 300 WM than it is to an '06.
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