in all sincerety, i'd love to hear & learn of the Hawkeye's cosmology, from little "a" to double capital "ZZ" so to speak. not to agree, and certainly not to disagree either. just would like to hear from whence he comes, so that i might can better respond, or agree as the case may be.
as far as fences around the Hebraic Tradition, i've heard of that. a number of fences, i believe. it serves to keep the Faith Pure, more or less, in my limited understanding.
i rely on Jesus's Teachings, much more than i align with all the mystical aspects of his existence on Urth. but, here we are 2,000 years later talking about him, and his responsibilities.
I can't object to a figure of Moses holding the law as shown above.
Nor should you object to the divine revelation delivered to Moses. Nor did Christ. In fact, he said that those who practice Judaism (i.e., the traditions of men, later to be codified in the Talmud) were thereby rejecting the teachings of Moses. He said that if they believed Moses, they'd believe him, too. The fact that they didn't believe Jesus, meant that they rejected Moses, and therefore Abraham, and if Moses and Abraham, the Father also.
wait a minute, does this mean "grab 'em by the Pu$$y " is out, or in? Is that Judeo, or Christian? Or just MAGA?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Sycamore
If you have to ask, then you have probably been grabbing too many weenies.
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
it's all very interesting, given that jesus was a jew.
He was a Jew (in the ethnic sense as used at the time), but he was not Judaic. Judaism is what he went out of his way to condemn, which is why he was crucified by the Jews who, by and large, were Judaic in religion. Judaism is a false religion that grew up parallel to the religion divinely delivered to the Hebrews via the Patriarchs and Prophets. Christ referred to Judaism as the Traditions of the Elders and the Commandments of Men, and said that it led people from God, rather than towards Him. Christ called the Jews on this throughout the Gospels. That's why the leaders of Judaism sought his death, because he was threatening the religion they and their ancestors had carefully crafted for their own empowerment throughout the centuries to enslave the minds of men and to prevent the salvation of all who adhere to it. Judaism was (and remains), Christ said, the religion of its father the Devil, not of God.
Have you ever read the New Testament? This is a major theme throughout.
The Pharisees, at the time of Jesus, were so much like the Democrats of today, in every way. Hypocrites, murderers, liars, thieves, etc
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
Nor should you object to the divine revelation delivered to Moses. Nor did Christ. In fact, he said that those who practice Judaism (i.e., the traditions of men, later to be codified in the Talmud) were thereby rejecting the teachings of Moses. He said that if they believed Moses, they'd believe him, too. The fact that they didn't believe Jesus, meant that they rejected Moses, and therefore Abraham, and if Moses and Abraham, the Father also.
And I totally agree with that.
It comes down to our definition of "Judeo value".
That picture of Moses is the definition I hold. Our Nation was built on that same value.
his guy is good on this point. He's got most things right, in fact.
Well, not really. It's a play on words.
"not the same God" as he says
When really it is, they, the Jew, do not know or worship Jesus as God.
They are in unbelief.
"I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!" Rom 11:1
vs 23 "if they do not continue in unbelief, (they) will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." vs 25 "blindness in part has happened to Israel 'until the time of the Gentiles has come in" vs 26 "And so all Israel will be saved"
Christ did not condemn Judaism because it was inherently wrong but because its focus had changed. HE even aid he did ot come to replace the Law but rather to fulfill or satisfy the Law. The Law was given to show man that hey were incapable of meeting God's divine/perfect standard. The Jews, as with many Christian religions today, corrupted God's plan and purpose and made it about man gaining God's "approval" by adhering to the system. They made it about themselves (man) doing rather than about was was to do for them and has done for us. This is man's nature through the ages to make it about man rather than God. Blaming the devil or demons deflects from the truth i.e. man's total depravity and falling short of the mark. We try and fail. It is not the devil's fault but rather our own pride, arrogance and refusal to rely on what God has already provided.
Vladimir I. Lenin claimed, "One of the basic conditions for victory of socialism is the arming of the workers (Communists) and the disarming of the bourgeoisie (the middle class)."
his guy is good on this point. He's got most things right, in fact.
Well, not really. It's a play on words.
"not the same God" as he says
When really it is, they, the Jew, do not know or worship Jesus as God.
They are in unbelief.
"I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!" Rom 11:1
vs 23 "if they do not continue in unbelief, (they) will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." vs 25 "blindness in part has happened to Israel 'until the time of the Gentiles has come in" vs 26 "And so all Israel will be saved"
I agree, Not sure where TRH is heading with this ?,,,I know many devout Jews, and they certainly believe in the same God as "we" do....Jesus is the issue, and the messiah, and the bible.
his guy is good on this point. He's got most things right, in fact.
Well, not really. It's a play on words.
"not the same God" as he says
When really it is, they, the Jew, do not know or worship Jesus as God.
They are in unbelief.
"I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!" Rom 11:1
vs 23 "if they do not continue in unbelief, (they) will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." vs 25 "blindness in part has happened to Israel 'until the time of the Gentiles has come in" vs 26 "And so all Israel will be saved"
Anyone who believes is either grafted in, or regrafted in. What's important, though is faith in Jesus, not physical descent from Abraham, for as the Holy Spirit reveals to us, "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Matthew 3:9
his guy is good on this point. He's got most things right, in fact.
Well, not really. It's a play on words.
"not the same God" as he says
When really it is, they, the Jew, do not know or worship Jesus as God.
They are in unbelief.
"I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!" Rom 11:1
vs 23 "if they do not continue in unbelief, (they) will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." vs 25 "blindness in part has happened to Israel 'until the time of the Gentiles has come in" vs 26 "And so all Israel will be saved"
I agree, Not sure where TRH is heading with this ?,,,I know many devout Jews, and they certainly believe in the same God as "we" do....Jesus is the issue, and the messiah, and the bible.
Christians don't worship Jesus as our God either.
A whole lot of them do, to the exclusion of all things OT.
Myself, if God is omniscient and eternal, he is not gonna be coming back 1800 years later and tell us, "Oh never mind, I did not really mean that part."
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
Exactly, the law is a mirror to show man what he really is.
The Law is Old Testament revelation. It is a good thing. The Jews abandoned the law, however, and (via Judaism) adopted instead the traditions of the elders. This happened long before Christ came into the world.
You might be confusing the law with the traditions of the elders that Christ condemned.
PS The Old Testament has nothing to do with Judaism. Judaism is the religion codified in the Talmud (but which predated said codification by several centuries), and rejects the Old Testament, along with Moses, the Patriarchs and Prophets, while giving lip service to them. If you say otherwise, you disagree with Christ, who was quite clear on this point.
Judaism is the religion that quite clearly rejected and crucified Jesus (Just read the Gospels and see), which fact identifies it as a demonic religion, not one delivered by God. Judaism didn't even exist yet when authentic revealed religion was delivered to the Hebrews by the Patriarchs and Prophets, except perhaps in embryonic form amongst those Hebrews who persisted in operating against God's will.
You folks confuse Judaism with the faith divinely delivered to the Hebrews of the Old Testament. Not at all. Judaism didn't even formally exist until the development of the rabbinic movement, during the period of Roman rule. It's not the religion of the Old Testament. It's precisely the rejection of it, while maintaining the false claim that it's the perfection of it.
Thanks, guys, for a religious discussion that so far hasn't degenerated into name calling and feuding. I've enjoyed it, and it has been very thought provoking for me.
Sean Hannity, a Roman Catholic, is a huge proponent of using "Judeo-Christian values" in its modern day politically correct manner. He is a good friend of Mark Levin (who is Jewish) and needs to find some sort of religious tie with him, even though Catholicism and Judaism are 180 degrees diametrically opposed to one another. Catholics worship Jesus and Jews hate him as a false prophet. Go figure.
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
