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You could always order a ernie the gunsmith spring for the Model 70 MOA trigger...remove the spring from your Xbolt and compare...They might or might not be the same diameter.It will be a 10 dollar experiment...maybe you can cut off one coil and see how that works.
If not sure just bring it to a "good" gunsmith . There is no way that the trigger pull weight can not be reduced with that design And there it is, the worst advice ever for someone attempting to reduce a spring pressure. Cutting a coil off ALWAYS makes the spring stiffer. Very simple physics. Worst advice , not hardly You also left this part out of the statement If not sure just bring it to a "good" gunsmith . There is no way that the trigger pull weight can not be reduced with that design
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I was directly referring to the comment in bold about cutting off a coil of the spring... that is the worst advice possible if you are trying to lighten a spring.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Really? Even if you stretch the shortened spring out to the same length as the original? I'm not arguing, but I've heard that about shortening springs (on autos as well as triggers) for decades and you're the first one I've heard say it didn't do what people thought it was going to do.
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Anyway, I took the rifle to the range today after backing the screw out, and the pull is okay. Certainly okay for in the field. I like them lighter than that for bench work, but I can live with it. Also, I've decided my new Lyman Trigger Gauge is way off and this pull isn't 4 pounds, but rather more like 3.
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Really? Even if you stretch the shortened spring out to the same length as the original? I'm not arguing, but I've heard that about shortening springs (on autos as well as triggers) for decades and you're the first one I've heard say it didn't do what people thought it was going to do. By very simple physics it is impossible to make a spring lighter by cutting off a coil. You also reduce the range of the spring and if you can stretch your spring out you are really going onto shakey ground.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Did you ever get the trigger lightened? I'm trying to decide if I want to mess with one
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I did the lighter spring approach on my two x-bolts and it turned a bad trigger into a good 2#. I did not cut the original spring but replaced it.
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I see. Bummer though Ernie no longer sells the springs
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I noticed that Timney now makes a replacement trigger for the X-bolt. But at $175 I can't see myself buying one.
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I noticed that Timney now makes a replacement trigger for the X-bolt. But at $175 I can't see myself buying one. A little cheaper at Midway. Not much more than a 700 trigger. If you don't care for the Timney look at one of these. http://www.jardinc.com/new-page-69/ I actually think the Jard has dropped around $20 from a couple years ago. Will be looking at the Timney.
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Last edited by 10gaugemag; 02/03/18.
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To the OP.....I don't know if you can get it to 2 lbs, but I installed one of these springs and have a very good 2.5 lb trigger, in my hells canyon X bolt. Kind of a new approach to replacing the spring, without having to tear the trigger assembly apart. Watch the video, down the page. Andy3 https://www.mcarbo.com/browning-x-bolt-trigger-spring-kit.aspx
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10gaugemag and I must have been responding at the same time. Great minds..........as they say!
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10gaugemag and I must have been responding at the same time. Great minds..........as they say! Don't know how great my mind is!! Will watch that vid. Probably replace my spring first and if I still don't like it I may go with the Timney. I like light triggers.
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ha - you last two posted before I could paste! Happy Saturday morning fellas.
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Wow guys, that kit is awesome and I'll be ordering mine today! Their spring *does* look like a Bic Pen spring, though, LOL.
I feel kind of bad now, I spent two years trying to convince Timney to come out with an X-bolt trigger and now I'm not sure it will sell well with this spring kit on the market.
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A whole lot easier then replacing the spring on the Winchester MOA trigger.
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I must admit..... Its' the first time I've used an ice pick to pry out a trigger spring, and my leatherman to pull the mangled mess out of the housing! Andy3
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The video from MCarbo puts everything in perspective!! - It seems like its a little rough treatment of a trigger but after the new spring is installed you can adjust it up and down to suite your taste. I like the idea of using this trigger rather than spending $200 on a new one and throwing the old one away. many people are happy with this setup.
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Well guys, this is much, much harder than it looks in the Mcorbo video. In fact, I couldn't do it. The spring is barely visible from above (the bottom) and not visible at all from the front. I gave up.
But then I thought, since that spring isn't going anywhere, why don't I just leave the adjustment screw out entirely? So I did and the trigger pull dropped from 3 3/4 pounds to 2 1/4 pounds.
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