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jwp, I doubt you ever will see any difference but all of us are affected on some level by nostalgia and when it is backed up by long experience it is hard to change. My favorite load for the 30-06 and .300 mags over the past 35 years has included the 200 gr Partition No doubt, the 220 works for you and others and always has. For me the flatter trajectory of the TTSX and their excellent terminal performance make them for me an all round choice for any and all game. In the 80’ I loaded the 200 grain partition.
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I'm just a damned noob but I haven't found anything yet that a 165gr NP out of an 30-06 wouldn't anchor and being the wimp that I am the 165's feel softer on my delicate shoulder.
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Flatter trajectory can be a help if you are unsure of distance but the effects of wind is a tougher proposition and the heavier Partition works great for that.
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Yep, and the 200 Partition actually has a pretty decent ballistic coefficient, especially for a non-boattail softpoint. Bryan Litz's tests indicate the BC is actually slightly higher than Nosler's published G1 of .488.
I've killed quite a few big game animals with the 200 Partition, including a number of elk, and only one didn't exit, a finisher on a facing-away bull that entered the pelvis and penetrated into the chest. Looked for the bullet, but never found it.
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Must be something wrong with me, I use 150 Partitions in my 06’s.
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I'm just a damned noob but I haven't found anything yet that a 165gr NP out of an 30-06 wouldn't anchor and being the wimp that I am the 165's feel softer on my delicate shoulder. What velocity are you getting from your 165s?
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I've only been hunting with my 300 win for a few years now. I only shoot one bullet; a 200 NP. I really don't think I'm going to switch to anything else. I like having one load that will work for antelope to an almost any angle shot on an elk. I posted the above 10 years ago in this thread. Still using the same rifle and the same load. It's still working. I'm too lazy to try anything else.
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If I need to tote an 06, I am going to put a 220 grain Partition in it....
Some of us have to have the latest greatest thing to feel we have all our bases covered..
Some of us on the other end, use what worked 30 years ago or more and its still doing the same job as today....
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I wish Hammer1 was still posting. Some of the stuff he tried out was fun to read about. His reloading/shooting 'house' was a source of envy for me.
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Is there a 7mm bullet/cartridge combo that approximates the 200PT / .30-06 performance?
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Hagel found the 175 Nosler out of a Mashburn went deeper than any other combo... So something like the 280 would do the job..
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A chronograph measured 2800fps. I picked the accuracy load from the Nosler book and it worked good enough on the first try to not bother messing with it. 1/2-3/4" every time I take it out unless I screw up.
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For many years me and my kids used a 30-06 to put 200 grain Partitions into moose and caribou, they killed very well and shot through every thing. In the 80's I started using 180 grain Barnes X bullets in the 30-06 and they also killed well and shot through every thing. Almost all of our first shots were broad side and under 300 yards. A couple of years ago I switched to the 168 grain TTSX bullet, so far only one caribou has been killed and it was a pass through and died quickly.
Will the 168 grain TTSX kill as well as the 200 grain Partition, ya got me and I won't shoot enough critters to prove one bullet kills better then the other. But, I won't be a bit surprised if it penetrates as well, with less recoil. We hunters are blessed to live in the age of the "super bullets" and Nosler started it for us Americans when they introduced the Partition. But, time and technology marches on. That being said, I am sure hunters will be driving Partitions long after I am gone.
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Hagel found the 175 Nosler out of a Mashburn went deeper than any other combo... So something like the 280 would do the job.. That is still a wicked combo. The 175 Partition or BBC is pretty danged tough on elk.
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I was thinking prairie dogs. Not sure if there would be enuf expansion. On second thought the penetration should be good enuf to make up for that.
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I have about three boxes of the older llathe turned 220's that I intend to use on a bison this fall out of my Winchester 1895. Pretty sure they will get his attention.
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Wow a thread ressurected from 2008!
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Wow a thread ressurected from 2008! Just further proof there is life after death. I think some threads need to be restored from time to time. The potential change in thought twixt now and ten years ago can be enlightening. No one mentioned this but shortly before his passing, Finn Aagaard did an article on shooting deer with a 220 gr. bullet, the Sierra RN IIRC. Picture of the exit wound was a lot larger than I would have expected from such a heavy bullet in the 30-06. Paul B.
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Wow a thread ressurected from 2008! Just further proof there is life after death. I think some threads need to be restored from time to time. The potential change in thought twixt now and ten years ago can be enlightening. No one mentioned this but shortly before his passing, Finn Aagaard did an article on shooting deer with a 220 gr. bullet, the Sierra RN IIRC. Picture of the exit wound was a lot larger than I would have expected from such a heavy bullet in the 30-06. Paul B. Yup, High SD topic, for sure that 220 RN that Finn A used, was most likely Cup'n Core construction where heavier is better for penetration. And mushrooming with sufficient remaining velocity. The more modern Mono-Metals & Hybrids like lots of velocity on the other hand. Being less dense, they don't need so much SD to be effective ballistically.
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Hagel found the 175 Nosler out of a Mashburn went deeper than any other combo... So something like the 280 would do the job.. That is still a wicked combo. The 175 Partition or BBC is pretty danged tough on elk. I've never used anything more than a 160 NP from the .280 - Love it ! I can sure see a 175 NP being truly wicked from a 28 Nosler though.
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