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It's nice to see "good news" stories every now and then. I thought they'd all be dead.

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Alive, yes. Rescued, no. It's going to be hairy getting them out of there. The tunnels are now flooded and they'll have to wear diving gear to get out. More heavy rain is expected the next few days so the water will come up, not go down, even though they're pumping like crazy. They have to wear scuba gear and crawl through some narrow tunnels to get out. Some can't swim. The rescuers will have to train them on the spot. A panic will likely mean a dead kid. The news yesterday said they figured they only had 1 day to get them trained and out before the water level got too high to save them.


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How did a boy's soccer team wind up in a flooded cave to begin with?

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Amazing story, hope they come out soon.

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Originally Posted by 308ragincajun
How did a boy's soccer team wind up in a flooded cave to begin with?
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American SOF guys are there assisting. Problem solved, partying in Thailand to follow, happy endings for all.


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I just read that they are planning on bringing in 4 months worth of food and waiting for the monsoon season to end. They also said they will try to teach the boys to swim, in case they need to get them out.

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I've been in caves where there was a guy posted outside to watch for rain.

Had communication to the lead party, because the low part was toward the entrance to the cave.

These guys probably need sleeping bags, food and water. Wait it out.

More of an inconvenience than life threatening, be worse to try and take em out underwater.

It can be a real PITA to move supplies through a cave.

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They’re like three kilometers from the entrance. Many kudos to the divers who entered those murky, moving waters to find ‘em.


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Originally Posted by Fubarski
I've been in caves where there was a guy posted outside to watch for rain.

Had communication to the lead party, because the low part was toward the entrance to the cave.

These guys probably need sleeping bags, food and water. Wait it out.

More of an inconvenience than life threatening, be worse to try and take em out underwater.

It can be a real PITA to move supplies through a cave.


So, more rain wont flood them?


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I don't know this cave, but it's probably mapped, so the rescuers know they're above where a flood would happen.

They crossed a low point in the cave, from what's reported a narrow area, which can mean a lotta things, but this area was apparently a low point where water flows after a rain.

The kids could be 100 feet above that point, in no danger of flooding, but can't come back to the entrance because they can't cross the submerged area.

Rain that falls on hollow hills, like we have in the Ozarks, can take weeks to percolate through the rock. That's why they can't just pump out the low area.

And every day it rains pushes back the day their return will happen.

People always worry about caves collapsin, but that rarely happens. Cave's been there for thousands of years, it ain't gonna fall in.

Most problems concern losin light sources, bein turned around, or traversin a mud hill that then gets too slippery to come back up.

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There are a number of possibilities on how they'll do the rescue. Here's a WAPO article that outlines some of them. Who knows what the final decision will be. SOCCER TEAM


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No need for them to know how to swim. Swimming is something you do on the surface to keep access to air. They would have scuba tanks on. Keeping them from panicking, that's the issue.


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This is a wild story and it does remind me of the trapped Chilean miners. Well, Thank God they found the young yard-apes and can now provide them with food, medical care etc.

They were found by a team of Brits, and we have US teams over there so they are surely getting the Best and the Brightest to help.
I would not be surprised if they wind up drilling a hole and bringing them up that way like the Chilean miners. Trying to get a bunch of kids, who can't swim, out with scuba gear is a daunting challenge.

Goddam I'm glad I'm not stuck in that hole I would be having a raging fit of claustrophobia.

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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
This is a wild story and it does remind me of the trapped Chilean miners. Well, Thank God they found the young yard-apes and can now provide them with food, medical care etc.

They were found by a team of Brits, and we have US teams over there so they are surely getting the Best and the Brightest to help.
I would not be surprised if they wind up drilling a hole and bringing them up that way like the Chilean miners. Trying to get a bunch of kids, who can't swim, out with scuba gear is a daunting challenge.

Goddam I'm glad I'm not stuck in that hole I would be having a raging fit of claustrophobia.


Yard-apes? OK buddy - head back to your trailer. Maybe reflect on why you are so angry at people who had nothing to do with your downfall.

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I call all children yard-apes including my nieces and nephews, right in front of their parents.
It looks like you are the one who is angry I suggest you call your psychiatrist, hopefully they will put you through even though it is the Fourth, tell your Doctor that the Prozac isn't working and you need something a little stronger.

Good luck, and hang in there, hopefully you will get through this OK.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
There are a number of possibilities on how they'll do the rescue. Here's a WAPO article that outlines some of them. Who knows what the final decision will be. SOCCER TEAM

unfortunately link is unreadable


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Originally Posted by rost495
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There are a number of possibilities on how they'll do the rescue. Here's a WAPO article that outlines some of them. Who knows what the final decision will be. SOCCER TEAM

unfortunately link is unreadable

It opens fine for me and I don't have a subscription for the site. Here's a cut & paste.

SINGAPORE — They’re alive and in relatively decent shape, given their ordeal, but many challenges remain for 12 boys and a soccer coach who so far have survived 10 days inside a flooded cave in Thailand and are still a long way from seeing daylight.

Divers who braved murky ­water and strong currents found the soccer team Monday on a dry ledge more than a mile from the mouth of the cave. The team remained there Tuesday, no longer alone and with food, water and medicine, as authorities tried to figure out how to extract them safely.

This is the season of the monsoon, with two inches of rain forecast to fall through Sunday. The monsoon lasts until the end of summer. The water in the cave is expected to rise.

The boys and their coach are not in danger of drowning. But the floodwaters cut off their path of escape. None of the boys can swim. Officials are considering giving the entire group a crash course in cave diving so that they can swim through flooded passages.

The joyous news that the soccer team was found alive has been coupled with vexation over what to do next. A thousand people at least are involved in the rescue effort, with help coming from around the globe, but technology is struggling to overcome the geology of the Tham Luang cave complex.

There is no simple way to save the trapped team.

Engineers have drained water from portions of the cave, but it is a vast subterranean cavern fed by a broad watershed. There is no sign that the efforts have lowered water levels to a point that would allow an extraction on foot.

Officials said Tuesday they might try to bring some of the boys out within a matter of hours, but they also said they do not want to take unnecessary risks. At one point Tuesday, officials suggested that the rescue could take months.

“We will not rush to take the lads out of the cave,” the governor of Chiang Rai province, Narongsak Osoththanakorn, told reporters, according to the BBC.

The boys range in age from 11 to 16, and are with their 25-year-old coach. They went missing on June 23 while exploring the six-mile-long cave, which is in a park in northern Thailand near the Myanmar border.

The world’s attention has been riveted to their story, which echoes the tale of the 33 Chilean miners who were trapped for 69 days nearly half a mile below the surface in 2010. Engineers there eventually drilled a vertical hole to reach their chamber, and all the miners were pulled to the surface one by one while a global audience watched on live television.


The members of the Thai soccer team were discovered Monday by two British divers, Rick Stanton and John Volanthen. In a video posted by the Thai navy on its Facebook page, the boys are seen huddled on a rock in mud-stained T-shirts and shorts surrounded by water.

“How many of you are there — 13? Brilliant,” a member of the rescue team, speaking in English, said to the boys. “You have been here 10 days. You are very strong.”

When one of the boys asked if they could leave the cave, the rescuers replied that they couldn’t yet but that many people were coming for them.

“Navy SEAL will come tomorrow, with food and doctors and everything,” the rescuer said.

The British divers described their three-hour round-trip into the cave as challenging because of the murkiness of the water. The rescuers had to fight a current as they pulled themselves through narrow, flooded passages by gripping the walls.

[Meet the British ‘A-team’ divers at the center of Thailand cave rescue]

Members of the British cave-diving community say that Stanton and Volanthen have been involved in a number of high-profile rescues. Thai authorities called on them to help.

“I said from the outset, if anybody is going to find these kids, it will be these two divers, who are arguably the best in the world,” Andy Eavis, a spokesman for the British Caving Association, told The Washington Post. “Compared to what Rick and John are normally doing, this is extremely easy diving, the only complication was the flow of the water,” he said, referring to the current.

Volanthen, a computer engineer, told the Sunday Times in 2013 that the secret to cave diving was keeping a cool head. “Panic and adrenaline are great in certain situations — but not in cave diving,” he said. “The last thing you want is any adrenaline whatsoever.”

A limestone cave complex is like a giant sponge, said Amy Frappier, a professor of geosciences at Skidmore College who has done extensive research in caves. She said that when the water table is low, you can walk throughout the complex, but then the air holes fill up as the water table rises after heavy rains.

That appears to be what happened here: The boys and their coach walked into the cave, and then the rain came. They could not go back the way they had come because they would have had to swim through flooded passages.

[A boys’ soccer team trapped in a flooded Thai cave has been found alive — nine days later]

Options for extracting the soccer team include drilling from the surface to create another exit. But experts have warned that this could take a long time.

“Caves are these complicated three-dimensional environments, so you don’t necessarily know from the surface where you can drill a hole to get to a passage,” Frappier said.

The boys and the coach are no longer alone. They’ve been visited by a doctor and a nurse who accompanied five other divers, and they’ve been given high-
protein liquid food, Thai navy SEAL commander Rear Adm. Arpakorn Yookongkaew said, according to the Associated Press. The boys are being entertained, and a phone line is being installed to permit them to speak with their families, the BBC reported.

The fastest way to get them out would be to have them use diving gear. That’s obviously risky. Yookongkaew said authorities “have to be certain that it will work and have to have a drill” to make sure “it’s 100 percent safe,” the AP reported.

Khaosod English, a Bangkok-based news organization, reported that officials are calling for donations of small diving masks that would fit the boys, as regular diving equipment could be too dangerous.

Officials say they have performed an informal medical evaluation and determined that most of the boys are in stable condition. No one has any critical injuries, said Chiang Rai’s governor.

The boys and their coach did not know what day it was when the divers found them.

“After that many days, their normal circadian rhythm would start to break down,” said Frappier, the scientist. “It will seem very bright when they come out into the sunshine. They may try to bring them out at night.”


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I wonder how far below the surface they are for drilling ?, seems like they would be popping a hole thru by now instead of thinking about a solution still.

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