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Any experience with these? Clarity, quality, etc...
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For the same $$$ you can get the Nikon Laserforce 10x42 which are a superior unit
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Agree with Doug, I compared both and the Nikon was heads and shoulders better than the Vortex
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Would appreciate you expanding on your answers. Why was the Nikon better?
Glass? Ranging? Features/ease of use? Reliability?
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I got a chance to go out into the Cabelas parking lot with the Nikon and Vortex a couple of months ago. It was a hot, overcast day, and the Nikon would range further and quicker than the Vortex. The optics were superior in the Nikon as well, at least with my 57 year old eyeballs. The only reason to consider the Vortex would be the lifetime warranty, even on electronics.
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Guys,
Thanks! Looks like the Nikons are the way to go in that price range.
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Dave
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IMO, the fit and finish on the Nikon is superior. The optics may be a very slight bit better and the reading is possibly a hair quicker. Please give us a call to discuss it and possibly get one on the way to you
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Buy the geovidr, it's a couple hundred more and not a colossal pile of [bleep] like the nikon or vortex..
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Buy the geovidr, it's a couple hundred more and not a colossal pile of [bleep] like the nikon or vortex.. Have you used the Nikon? I have used four pair extensively compared directly against multiple Swarovski EL Ranges, Meopta MeoRange, Leica Geovids, etc. “Colossal pile of [bleep]” is not what I and about 20 other people have noted. The range finder is excellent. The warranty covers electronics. The glass is not as good as the Swaros, Leica or Meopta, but it is pretty dang good. If I were to buy a Bino LRF today, for most uses I would buy the Nikons over the others. As a total package the LaserForce is one of the top options in my opinion.
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Buy the geovidr, it's a couple hundred more and not a colossal pile of [bleep] like the nikon or vortex.. Have you used the Nikon? I have used four pair extensively compared directly against multiple Swarovski EL Ranges, Meopta MeoRange, Leica Geovids, etc. “Colossal pile of [bleep]” is not what I and about 20 other people have noted. The range finder is excellent. The warranty covers electronics. The glass is not as good as the Swaros, Leica or Meopta, but it is pretty dang good. If I were to buy a Bino LRF today, for most uses I would buy the Nikons over the others. As a total package the LaserForce is one of the top options in my opinion. I've spent enough time behind them to feel pretty strongly that the glass sucks.. The edge to edge clarity is marginal, the detail/colors aren't there, and the light transmission leaves something to be desired. If you're shooting LR you still have to run dope which they don't do. All things equal, if you have to have RF glasses, for a couple hundred more you can get the Leica Geovid HD-R's which have much better glass in them. That being said, I'm not a huge fan of any of the RF glasses I've used or have owned. I'm not willing to give up optical clarity for the convenience.. If it's under 300 it's some variance of point and shoot, if it's over 300 I'm typically using the my kestrel/sig to do my heavy lifting. I wouldn't feel at all confident glassing the country I hunt with them. I can say with great certainty that it would be headache city within a few hours and a lot of the fine detail work that I do would be impacted. A lot of people have a lot of opinions, I'm sticking with mine.
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I agree with that. Those Nikon's are clutch. Call Doug and get you one.
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I agree with that. Those Nikon's are clutch. Call Doug and get you one.
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I've spent enough time behind them to feel pretty strongly that the glass sucks.. The edge to edge clarity is marginal, the detail/colors aren't there, and the light transmission leaves something to be desired. If you're shooting LR you still have to run dope which they don't do.
All things equal, if you have to have RF glasses, for a couple hundred more you can get the Leica Geovid HD-R's which have much better glass in them.
That being said, I'm not a huge fan of any of the RF glasses I've used or have owned. I'm not willing to give up optical clarity for the convenience.. If it's under 300 it's some variance of point and shoot, if it's over 300 I'm typically using the my kestrel/sig to do my heavy lifting.
I wouldn't feel at all confident glassing the country I hunt with them. I can say with great certainty that it would be headache city within a few hours and a lot of the fine detail work that I do would be impacted.
A lot of people have a lot of opinions, I'm sticking with mine.
Specific, long glassing sessions with binos on a tripod is not what I would call “most uses”. For that, I agree and prefer the Swarovski, Leica, and Meopta. For normal binocular uses- locating game, judging, general scanning, as well as LRF duties they do well. A factor to consider with ALL bino LRF’s is that it’s not “if” the laser goes out, it’s “when”. Lifetime warranty on the electronics will be important to most people.
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The only lifetime warranty on electronics I'm aware of is the Vortex. Nobody else does it, and it's not covered by Nikon's "No Fault" either.
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The only lifetime warranty on electronics I'm aware of is the Vortex. Nobody else does it, and it's not covered by Nikon's "No Fault" either. That's why I'd rather have a separate rangefinder and spend the extra money on better glass for the binoculars.
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The only lifetime warranty on electronics I'm aware of is the Vortex. Nobody else does it, and it's not covered by Nikon's "No Fault" either. Nikon is stating that the No fault Warrenty includes the electronics for the Laserforce only. They’ve put it in a couple of there own videos, and I’ve spoken at length with two of their reps about it. Whether or not they honor it, I don’t know, but they are claiming lifetime warranty on everything.
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The only lifetime warranty on electronics I'm aware of is the Vortex. Nobody else does it, and it's not covered by Nikon's "No Fault" either. Nikon is stating that the No fault Warrenty includes the electronics for the Laserforce only. They’ve put it in a couple of there own videos, and I’ve spoken at length with two of their reps about it. Whether or not they honor it, I don’t know, but they are claiming lifetime warranty on everything. I hope your right, as I liked the NIkon quite a bit. However, they've been saying that their new warranties transfer to a new owner too, but their warranty cards, and warranty stuff on their website still say original owner only. Warranty for Nikon products with electronics: https://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en...Scope-Non-Electronic-Warranty-Sample.pdfWarranty for Nikon products without electronics: https://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en...-Scope_No_Electronic-warranty-sample.pdfI'm trying out a Geovid right now, and hope I don't regret it.
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I've spent enough time behind them to feel pretty strongly that the glass sucks.. The edge to edge clarity is marginal, the detail/colors aren't there, and the light transmission leaves something to be desired. If you're shooting LR you still have to run dope which they don't do.
All things equal, if you have to have RF glasses, for a couple hundred more you can get the Leica Geovid HD-R's which have much better glass in them.
That being said, I'm not a huge fan of any of the RF glasses I've used or have owned. I'm not willing to give up optical clarity for the convenience.. If it's under 300 it's some variance of point and shoot, if it's over 300 I'm typically using the my kestrel/sig to do my heavy lifting.
I wouldn't feel at all confident glassing the country I hunt with them. I can say with great certainty that it would be headache city within a few hours and a lot of the fine detail work that I do would be impacted.
A lot of people have a lot of opinions, I'm sticking with mine.
Specific, long glassing sessions with binos on a tripod is not what I would call “most uses”. For that, I agree and prefer the Swarovski, Leica, and Meopta. For normal binocular uses- locating game, judging, general scanning, as well as LRF duties they do well. A factor to consider with ALL bino LRF’s is that it’s not “if” the laser goes out, it’s “when”. Lifetime warranty on the electronics will be important to most people. It is for me and where i hunt.. You brought up another good point, when your rf goes tits up, you're out both your binos and rf. Sounds great🤔.
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