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Originally Posted by Bristoe

America is already taking in a million legal immigrants a year,....10 million in the last 10 years....

Link please.....

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America is already taking in a million legal immigrants a year,....10 million in the last 10 years....

Link please.....


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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Dot Indians are dumber than fence posts on average. That's why it's a schit laden country.

Because of eugenics (arranged marriages) the upper class of Indians have fairly high IQs.

We generally only take those from India with advanced degrees in technical fields, so it’s a highly skewed sample.

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H1b is a scam crime against Americans.
East India brain trust should love their own kind and go home to hindu land


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's got to the point where I just shake my head and laugh.


And try not to cry .....

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Just another Ford versus Chevy argument. Those that would like to give Trump a Monica are going to tell those who have some concerns about some of the decisions Trump makes, and rightfully so, that they're wrong and in reality, Donald is doing a magnificent job.

I think there have been some very legitimate concerns about Donald Trump for the past 30 years. He is a high roller, and many times high rollers have things come back and bite them. I have said that what he did, and who he did it do, before he became president is of little concern to me, as it's what he does as president that matters. With the exception of his two SCOTUS picks, he has actually accomplished vry little., which maybe isn't a bad thing, as some presidents try to do too much.

I am going to reserve my final judgment on him when he is through being president, as a lot can happen between now and then, be it 2 years or 6. But I will say this to those that defend his every move, and love to call those who don't names........do you really know just how stupid you're acting? Because if you don't, the rest of us do.

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Dot Indians are dumber than fence posts on average. That's why it's a schit laden country.

Because of eugenics (arranged marriages) the upper class of Indians have fairly high IQs.

We generally only take those from India with advanced degrees in technical fields, so it’s a highly skewed sample.



It ain't American kids who are winning all the spelling bees. It's those low IQ kids who are from India.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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I dare say they make better Americans than most Americans.


,...sounds like you need to consider moving to India.


I don't quite follow your logic. Since the guys I work with are intelligent and hard-working I should move to India?



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I dare say they make better Americans than most Americans.


,...sounds like you need to consider moving to India.


I would chip in for a plane ticket......we have enough people from other countries fugging up this country.....I don't give a scchit how smart they are...….bob


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On the other hand, he stopped the pretty-much automatic practice of granting work permits to the spouses of H1B visa holders, which makes working for peanuts in American high-tech jobs much less attractive to foreigners. The cost of living in regions where high-tech jobs are is often prohibative on one income.

It's a mixed bag, and we'll never know what trade-offs may have to be made to say, keep the Senate from passing the resolution against the national emergency or overriding Trump's veto.

Anyone who thought this business was going to be easy, pretty, or perfect, was kidding themselves. Trump's ass is literally on the line over this stuff and he's the only one in decades that's made a serious effort to get this under control. Ain't going to happen all at once, and some of what needs to be done may never happen, but if he's impeached over abuse of power none of it will happen. He has to work within the law and the system. The real culprits are the schittbirds like Paul Ryan that not only failed to do what's right, but actively opposed it while they controlled both houses of Congress. Those Republicans are true sellouts to big money and deserve to be remembered and reviled for it as long as they live. A pox on them forever!


I pretty much agree with all of this.


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You guys need to expand your imagination outside of your own world. I worked with 30+ Hispanics in Alabama, until the state enacted Everify. Now I work with 4. We would encourage legal immigration, and not for cheap labor, as none of the previous guys were under paid. As a whole, those guys flat out work. We literally had to lower our expectations when they left.

Yep - seen it for years - way back in the 90's the whites were getting VERY SOFT & LAZY , hell I see them today scared to climb on an 8' roof . But hey why work when you can be lazy and get by - seems just getting by is fine with them .
Knew one - went through all kinds of welding training - welding teacher informed class of big money jobs up in n. dakota oilfields region - none went - too big pusscakes mommas boys . That was 5 years ago he's knocking 30yrs old - still living at home . 30yr. old 'boys' .


Back in 70's / 80's I rented office space to remodelling contractor. In So. California, lots of Mexicans there. Too many. He hired Mexicans and I asked him about it. He said what could he do? Hard to find people who could do the jobs and too many of the Americans thought they were doing a big favor just showing up for work..

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And they can't pass a drug test if required. Need to quit furnishing Americans with free stuff, and when they get hungry they will work, or steal. Then get tough on crime. miles


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People sure seem to have a low opinion of Americans in this thread.

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If people from India have such high IQ's and the stats tell us they are, Why does half the polupation there not have indoor toilets?
Something is not right with that picture


Well it's certainly hard to argue with "logic" like that!🙄

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It's funny how considering so much griping about Californication goes on here on the Campfire, it seems folks are perfectly happy with people from entirely foreign cultures moving here in huge numbers.

Joe Blow from California = OMG California is ruining the state.

Achmed from BFE = He's so smart and hardworking, more American than Americans.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
People sure seem to have a low opinion of Americans in this thread.



I grew tobacco from 1972 until 2002. When I first started out, I had a number of people I could get to help me with the crop, and for those that don't know, tobacco is a very labor intensive crop, with the majority of the work done with manual labor. Along about the early 90's, that help just dried up, and became almost impossible to find. There were some years that I felt I'd spent as much time looking for help, as I did in the actual time spent on working. The larger farmers started getting the H2A Mexicans to help them, so I contracted with these farmers to harvest my crop about the last 5 years I grew tobacco.

I don't know if it was a case of Americans not wanting to do the job, as it was of Americans not knowing how to, and those that did, had found higher paying jobs. But, there were a number of Americans who didn't have a job, that turned me down, because the hard work in a tobacco field did not appeal to them. In any case, the Mexicans are a source of good dependable labor. In short, they don't mind the work and are glad to do it.

As far as other jobs that Americans don't do, and Mexicans have taken over, I can't comment on it, because I don't know about it. But, without a doubt, when you have had several generations on welfare, it becomes a lifestyle to them and they lose the skills and desire to want to get out and do manual labor.

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Achmed from BFE = He's so smart and hardworking, more American than Americans.


BFE, isn;t that in Northeastern Egypt?

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People sure seem to have a low opinion of Americans in this thread.


There are many industries that can't or won't pay Americans a decent wage to do their work.So Americans look for jobs that pay better.Unfortunately some employers perceive this as an unwillingness of Americans to work.

When they discover the cheap labor of illegals,who live fifteen to a household,this reinforces their misconceptions of American workers.Illegals pool their financial resources by living in a group home,they can afford to work for much less as a result.


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Achmed from BFE = He's so smart and hardworking, more American than Americans.


BFE, isn;t that in Northeastern Egypt?

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It might be in the NW, honestly I'm not sure. wink

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People sure seem to have a low opinion of Americans in this thread.


There are many industries that can't or won't pay Americans a decent wage to do their work.So Americans look for jobs that pay better.Unfortunately some employers perceive this as an unwillingness of Americans to work.

When they discover the cheap labor of illegals,who live fifteen to a household,this reinforces their misconceptions of American workers.Illegals pool their financial resources by living in a group home,they can afford to work for much less as a result.


No,...it's just that white people are no good.

Just the other day,..this white guy was standing on the street with a sign that said, "Will work for food".

I offered him an onion to paint my house. He gave me the finger.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
People sure seem to have a low opinion of Americans in this thread.


No, I just don't lump all Americans together nor do I paint all immigrants with the same brush.

Bristoe, I suspect you're a hard-working guy and value all of same qualities that I cited about my co-workers. I bet you consider those to be qualities that this country was founded on. And I'm sure you get fed up with lazy and entitled Americans who don't capitalize on the tremendous opportunities laid out before them. Can you concede that we at least agree about that part?

Speaking of jobs that Americans won't do, it's inexplicable that we still don't graduate near enough STEM degrees. Sure the H1B program gets abused. But I still get contacted by roughly a dozen recruiters a week that want to run positions by me. There's money lying everywhere in this country and if you pick it up it's yours, but a lot of Americas can't be bothered to make the effort. At my company we struggle to fill all technical positions, whether it's by a H1B or employee. I can promise you, the work simply would not get done... a lot of it already doesn't get done in the time we would like to do it. Budget is not what's holding us back.

I just don't get this black & white, all or nothing thinking. This world is being painted as one with only Good Guys and Bad Guys, with clear and obvious lines delineating who's who, and it's like a bad Hollywood script that's been dumbed down to the point that the dullest moviegoer can still follow along. A lot of these H1B's eventually become citizens and I think a lot of them would be future conservative voters if not for the stigma that a lot of us create for ourselves. You might be surprised to find that your favorite neighbor is some brown guy who shares your values, as opposed to the white guy who embodies everything you're against.

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