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Who gets to make the decision as to what point in time dictates who is/are indigenous people?
I, being a "white guy" always have a tough time not checking the box "native American" because, by definition, that's what I am.
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Meanwhile up north about other things that don't matter: South Dakota tribes seek repeal of law banning them from MinnesotaPIERRE, S.D. - Tribes in South Dakota are trying again to gain state legislative support to repeal an archaic law that bans them from Minnesota. The State-Tribal Relations Committee voted this week to introduce a resolution during the 2020 legislative session requesting that Congress repeal the 1863 Dakota Removal Act. The law forced Native Americans onto South Dakota reservations following the 1862 conflict that included the mass hanging of 38 Dakota men. Minnesota passed a resolution supporting its repeal in 2009. The South Dakota Senate State Affairs Committee failed to pass the same resolution during the 2019 session without any discussion. ksfyWell, ya slaughter maybe 800 helpless settlers, mostly women and children and people get irate.
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I would suggest you read book "1491" by Charles C, Mann, You might be surprised at how advanced the pre-Columbian "Indians" actually were.
does Charles C Mann tell us why these "advanced" pre columbians didnt utilize the wheel? Yes.
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"I think it's better we recognize the resiliency of indigenous people rather than give respect to a man who didn't do the things we celebrate"
Uhhhhh, whaaat? Injuns can't accept that they lost the war for the continent. As has been said here many times before, "they should have fought harder..." Also been said, If the plains Indians had ever figured out what the rear sight was for on a Winchester, it would have been a lot longer conflict!
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I would suggest you read book "1491" by Charles C, Mann, You might be surprised at how advanced the pre-Columbian "Indians" actually were.
does Charles C Mann tell us why these "advanced" pre columbians didnt utilize the wheel? Yes. Touché (toujours touché)
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Personally I don't quite get why Columbus was thought of as such a huge deal. Not that there was anything wrong with his accomplishments, but let's face it he was as lost as you could get he thought north America was India. Thus named the locals Indians. And, he wasn't the first non aboriginal or European person to land on the continent.
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Personally I don't quite get why Columbus was thought of as such a huge deal. Not that there was anything wrong with his accomplishments, but let's face it he was as lost as you could get he thought north America was India. Thus named the locals Indians. And, he wasn't the first non aboriginal or European person to land on the continent. The Joos that control the Catholic Church needed a hero.
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Well, ya slaughter maybe 800 helpless settlers, mostly women and children and people get irate. I think that was the uprising the Sissitonai and Whapeton bands helped put down that lead to the dissolution of the Lake Traverse reservation. As a result individual Indians were allowed to claim 200 acres and the claims were bought and sold over time and my house is on such a claim (I'm non-native). The abstracts around here are quite a history lesson. Still a lot of tribal and land in trust around here.
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Personally I don't quite get why Columbus was thought of as such a huge deal. Not that there was anything wrong with his accomplishments, but let's face it he was as lost as you could get he thought north America was India. Thus named the locals Indians. And, he wasn't the first non aboriginal or European person to land on the continent. The Joos that control the Catholic Church needed a hero. And more riches if there were any
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Interesting book on that whole Columbus Jewish thing called "the Columbus conspiracy". Author tries to make a case that Columbus was a descendant of a Cathar heretic. And a non-Italian. Author brings up some interesting points. But IMHO not quite enough to pass Columbus off as something he probably wasn’t.
One thing he did maintain and I believe him spot on was that Columbus knew exactly what he was doing. In reference to getting to a new world and not India.
We were taught and still taught many fallicies about these times.
My personal favorite is the term "Indian" used to describe native Americans. Has absolutely nothing to do with them being mistaken as dot head Indians.
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
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Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Why call them indians then Bob?
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Why call them indians then Bob? They were refered to by the Priest in their native state as "Las ninas en Dios". Or just Endios. Children in God or children free from original sin.
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
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Like a lot of history there's more than one theory of how it all went down I guess. Just googled this one up Columbus sailed from Palos de la Frontera on Friday, August 3, 1492, reached the Canary Islands six days later and stayed there for a month to finish outfitting his ships. He left on September 6, and five weeks later, in about the place he expected, he found the Indies. What else could it be but the Indies? There on the shore were the naked people. With hawk's bells and beads he made their acquaintance and found some of them wearing gold nose plugs. It all added up. He had found the Indies. And not only that. He had found a land over which he would have no difficulty in establishing Spanish dominion, for the people showed him an immediate veneration. He had been there only two days, coasting along the shores of the islands, when he was able to hear the natives crying in loud voices, "Come and see the men who have come from heaven; bring them food and drink." If Columbus thought he was able to translate the language in two days' time, it is not surprising that what he heard in it was what he wanted to hear or that what he saw was what he wanted to see—namely, the Indies, filled with people eager to submit to their new admiral and viceroy.
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Our ancestors were awesome story tellers! 😉
Some better than others!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Well Ada (my hometown) has been infamous for worse things....
As for the Indians, they built a casino and have been taking back this country bit by bit. So much so that they have cut into our property tax collections. They however did not hold a grudge and supply millions upon millions of dollars to this city, county and state for that matter, for roads, schools, infrastructure and other programs that we desperately need. Our city of 17K is probably over half either employed or empowered by the Chickasaw nation.
Besides, who was Columbus, just some English dude? Didn't we kick them out of our country long ago? I never have gotten that day off work anyway.
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"I think it's better we recognize the resiliency of indigenous people rather than give respect to a man who didn't do the things we celebrate"
Uhhhhh, whaaat? Injuns can't accept that they lost the war for the continent. As has been said here many times before, "they should have fought harder..." Says they guy with a rebel flag in his avatar! LOL cant make this chit up. Ouch! That'll leave a mark! 
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It was a short walk for Ada, OK to get to the full retard location.
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Injuns can't accept that they lost the war for the continent. As has been said here many times before, "they should have fought harder..."
Every time war broke out, most settlers cleared out, for good reason. Do you live in a gated community? Yes, gated community of 1: my 2.2 acres. It ain't injun-proof, just cow-proof.
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"I think it's better we recognize the resiliency of indigenous people rather than give respect to a man who didn't do the things we celebrate"
Uhhhhh, whaaat? Injuns can't accept that they lost the war for the continent. As has been said here many times before, "they should have fought harder..." Says they guy with a rebel flag in his avatar! LOL cant make this chit up. Hey! I DO resemble that remark!!
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Who gets to make the decision as to what point in time dictates who is/are indigenous people?
I, being a "white guy" always have a tough time not checking the box "native American" because, by definition, that's what I am. We get alot of local TV ads from the various Civilized Tribes here in Oklahoma. They compete one against the other. I always laugh when I see a blond hair, blue-eyed gal claiming to be an Indian.
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