So once again, why are we bagging on a nurse stationed with the Army Public Health Command who went out and completed the requirements to earn an Expert Field Medical Badge?
Because they are making a big deal about what guys do all the time, because it's a woman, and unusual. That's the point. Guys do it all the time. Of course it's hard. Guys are better suited to it.
tens of thousands of men have done it as part of their job in the military for decades and not one word even though they do it much faster with no drama.
The crew on the Lewis and clark expedition carried 70 to 120 lbs and covered over 20 miles a day for months and months in all weather and terrain with very little food.
That gal is carrying serious weight for a serious distance. 70 Pounds for 12 miles takes serious conditioning for a young MAN in his prime. I remember PT and have trained young men and women over the years. I still have to get into and stay in shape at my age, or I'll end up like friends who are carrying way more than 70#s from the couch to the doctors office and back. I'd be willing to guess that few on the Camp Fire can do this today. I carried that load last week for a mile and was huffing it.........said to self, "Man, I need to get into shape!"
At 25, I could do 110 lbs for 10 miles on hills. At 45, I could do 55lbs for about the same.
Then I started getting Baker's Cysts in my calves and had to chuck backpacking.
Now? I schlepped a 50 lb pack out to the back of the property over the summer ( about a half mile) and was flat-out amazed I could still stand when I got there.
Yup. You're in better shape than I. That's why I said to myself "Man, I need to get in shape.". Cardio goes first. Right now, I'm trying to walk wherever I can to build up to 50mile long weekends next spring.
Walking distance is the best, IMO. Steps, too. Skip elevators whenever you can.
A good friend told me his exercise routine. It included running up several flights of steps at work. Push ups. Sprinting 100 yards. Vitamin/mineral/ coQ10 Supplements
He was the oldest employee of a very major pharma company. He was very bright and healthy working there in his 80s. Once in a while he'd challenge himself by asking young tall guys in their 20s to race him from one side of the parking lot to the other. My friend has very short legs, so he would normally lose the race, but it gave him challenges and goals to his routine. He only was laid off due to age discrimination.
I know thats probably hard to believe. Not because of his age and vitality, but because I actually have friends in the pharmaceutical industry. Lol.
[/quote] Yup. You're in better shape than I. That's why I said to myself "Man, I need to get in shape.". Cardio goes first. Right now, I'm trying to walk wherever I can to build up to 50mile long weekends next spring.[/quote]
I thought you taught sword fighting and martial arts? [/quote] I had to close the school. Got outta shape faster than I got into it. Atrophy seems to happen faster as I get older. Now I'm conditioning so that hopefully I can open the new school by spring if finances work out.
Having been in the 'Corps and not the Army, I must ask: does a person get this special infantry or combat "badge" for hiking the 12 miles with the 70 lb pack in 3 hours, and all on that road?? I know others here are saying it is a 35 lb pack, but the video says 70 so I am going with that to cover all bases.
I'm not saying that we had to go further or faster because we didn't, but I am saying that's actually kind of pathetically slow if you're "pushing" yourself. Even the dreaded crucible in Marine recruit training was more difficult than this, and it was wayyyyy overrated.
I do have long legs though, which I am sure makes a difference but I saw plenty of shorter legged guys have no issues with this kind of march either.
So once again, why are we bagging on a nurse stationed with the Army Public Health Command who went out and completed the requirements to earn an Expert Field Medical Badge?
Because they are making a big deal about what guys do all the time, because it's a woman, and unusual. That's the point. Guys do it all the time. Of course it's hard. Guys are better suited to it.
tens of thousands of men have done it as part of their job in the military for decades and not one word even though they do it much faster with no drama.
The crew on the Lewis and clark expedition carried 70 to 120 lbs and covered over 20 miles a day for months and months in all weather and terrain with very little food.
The Russians let their soldiers beat the crap out of each other. LOL
Big "Ol steriod looking phuggers there.
The image has nothing to do with the video. They are not even ni the video. The video shows the Russian military engaging in hand to hand combat training.
Think of the bright side. When she separates or retires, she'll just have to show this video to the VA to substantiate her blown out knees and bad back are service related injuries. I tested for the EFMB in the late 1980s and I don't think the load for the Forced Road March was anywhere near 70 lbs. It was just clothing items and MOPP gear as I recall but I suppose it might have changed since.
If I remember right this was for expert field medic badge EFMB. That video was a joke then still a joke now.. It tells many things, the main one that cpt didn’t do any training far ruck marching, prior to this..
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
Having been in the 'Corps and not the Army, I must ask: does a person get this special infantry or combat "badge" for hiking the 12 miles with the 70 lb pack in 3 hours, and all on that road?? I know others here are saying it is a 35 lb pack, but the video says 70 so I am going with that to cover all bases.
I'm not saying that we had to go further or faster because we didn't, but I am saying that's actually kind of pathetically slow if you're "pushing" yourself. Even the dreaded crucible in Marine recruit training was more difficult than this, and it was wayyyyy overrated.
I do have long legs though, which I am sure makes a difference but I saw plenty of shorter legged guys have no issues with this kind of march either.
The EIB involves a lot more than a 12 mile road march. Every infantrymen is wanting one thing and that’s to go “true blue”. The EFMB is the same as well. Both events end with the 12 mile road march. Places like Drum, Carson, Bragg with full divisions will hold their EIB’s and all the BCT (brigade combat teams) Infantrymen will/highly encouraged to do it.. they will start out with couple thousand Infantrymen of not more, by the time ruck march happens the numbers are down to less than a couple hundred. Renegade can tell you more about it..
As my infantry buddies always say. Why is the sky blue?? Because God loves the Infantry!
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Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
The primary mission of an infantry soldier is to “close with and destroy the enemy.” If you follow NRA Highpower Rifle shooting, SSG Amanda Elsenboss totally dominated both Interservice and National Long Range shooting in 2019. Close behind her was SSG Erin McNeal also on the AMU Team. There were no National Matches in 2020 due to COVID, but I wouldn’t want to face these two ladies on the battlefield.
NRA Highpower does not require physical exertion. Combat does. It's sort of like our military making accomodations for women. Fewer chin-ups in basic, don't have to throw the hand grenade as far, etc.
BTW women were not very competitive in Highpower until the 5.56mm "mouse gun" replaced the 7.62mm M14. Why? Lower recoil. And the stock dimensions on the AR15/M16 service rifle are too small for many men.
The military has long recognized the shortcomings of the 5.56mm cartridge, which is why they are now going with a .277" cartridge.
Oh boy another we need paw paw M14 back in service. Pass me the 5.56 and M16/m4
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
