Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Savage Collectors 219-broken firing pin, need replacement, will 220 barrels fit on 219 action?

Hope there may be some of you with experience with this model. Ordered new pin assembly from Numrich, not exactly the same. I also have a 20 ga barrel I thought might fit, not quite. Thanks for you time, Richard

I tried swapping barrels between a 219 in 30-30 and a 220 in 20ga. It did not work with the 2 examples I had.YMMV

Mike

They were factory fitted for the multiple barrel sets. Unless your lucky. You may have to find your local machinist for a correct firing pin.

The rifle and shotgun firing pins were different but my 16 gauge receiver will fire my 22 hornet and 28 ga barrels just fine.

The 219 was a rifle 220 was a shotgun the model 221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231 were SAVAGE UTILITY GUN (Shotgun and Rifle) this was 30-30,25-20,22Hornet or 32-20 with Interchangeable 12-16 or 20 Ga. Barrel on a 219 Frame the price on any utility gun in 1946 was &37.00

I have had good luck in putting together a six barrel set: .22Hor, .22K-Hor, .30-30, 20ga., 16ga. and 12ga. The project is based upon a M220 20ga. purchased new in 1957. Next step was acquisition of a M219 that while sold to me at a gun show as a .22Hor turned out to be a .22K-Hor with a broken firing pin. An attempt to fit the .22K-Hor bbl to the M220 20ga. worked out with no problem. A .30-30 bbl was bought via net auction and that worked out well and fits the M220 frame perfectly. Next stage included the purchase of a M220 12ga. and a M220 16ga. at real cheap prices due to crappie wood. These bbls required a little fitting accomplished with a rat tail file where the bbl joint meets the frame pin. Finally a well used M219 in .22Hor came along at a despairation price, wood in rough shape. That bbl fits the M220 20ga, frame with no fitting required.

I am thinking seriously about rechambering the .22K-Hor bbl to .219Zipper. A .30-30 extractor replacing the .22Hor extractor would complete the job.

Now a .32-20 bbl would be interesting, and/or a .410 or 28ga. bbl
if I should stumble across one or all of them. Not probable but who knows.

The firing pin in the M220 20ga. functions well with the three rifle bbls.

If I am correct that there is an early and later version of this model, 219/220, is there any difference in the barrel lugs?

Is there a differnce in the 219 and the 220 firing pin?

I have a 219C ser# 188xx Westfield Mass receiver address.
The barrel is in 22 Hornet Model 219 with a Utica address.
The 2 pcs do not close properly and there is no way it will cock.
It looks like the receiver was for another cal altogether.
I bought it at an auction 25 yrs ago with no chance for close inspection.
Where they made caliber specific?

Rich

Looking in the parts manuals I see separate pages for a 219, 219B and a 219L. Each has a corresponding 220 with it.

I think the Utica barrel would be pre-WWII through 1946. The 219-C with the Westfield barrel would be post 1960. I have a 219-B with a Chicopee address which would be 1947-1960.

The parts manual lists a rifle and a shotgun firing pin...which was used in the combo?

The 219 and the 219-B have different cocking mechanisms. I've had a few 219's with different barrels, some of them would fit one receiver but not the other. A couple of the barrels fit two different receivers I had at the time. One required a new locking lug to fit tight. I have a 219B with a messed up chamber in .22 K Hornet if any one is looking for something to do.

Maybe a .218 Mushburn Bee? Might be a few thousands short.

Again, I'm here at work and I can't check for sure. I bought a 219B unfired from one of Joe Devine's auctions years ago. I gave Maddog the serial number info for his records. It is a Chicopee gun and IIRC it is a late 50's or very early 60's gun. I went to fire it the first time, and click NO BANG. Someone apparentlt dry fired it. The design lends itself to failure when dry fired. I looked at the primer and no dent. I took the gun apart and BOTH pieces were there luckily. I got the dimensions and fabricated a couple. I will post a picture of the spare I made and give the measurements if that will help anyone. My son, as a youngster, had a 220L. 20 ga. shotgun with the side lever. I'm 99% sure that was a Westfield gun. BOTH guns used the same firing pin.

LBK: I'd like to see a pic of your fabricated 219B parts. I've been fighting a problem similar to yours with a B in Hornet. :)dh

Here is a picture of the original firing pin from my 219B. It's the one in 2 pieces. Then there is the broken 1 from my sons 220L shotgun. The other 2 are spares that I made. One is propped up using silly putty. Picture isn't very good, but I think you'll get the drift. The sketch has all the numbers needed to fab a pin. I made the 2 out of D2 tool steel and heat treated them to 50-52 Rockwell on the C scale. I hope this helps.

Tnx for the info. dh