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Re: Which is better for bear? AK375DGR #16379252 08/26/21
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,862 West Treasure Valley, Idaho I Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger
Idaho_Shooter Campfire Ranger I Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 25,862 West Treasure Valley, Idaho	Originally Posted by AK375DGR Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter Originally Posted by AK375DGR Ok,,,,,, FWIW, here is what I've been carrying since about 2003, and it will get-er-done, if I do my part,,,,,, and I have... Lj If you can put full house bear loads through a 329, you're a far better man than I. I have a similar weighted Taurus Titanium tracker in 41 mag. I guarantee it will never see my 250 gr loads, and damned few hot 210 gr loads. Ok then,,,,,,, but just to be clear, I practice a lot, 7-800 rd's/yr. +/-, with .44 spl. loads, and those Cowboy action loads, as well as some standard off the shelf .44Mag loads, and in the 18 +/- yrs that I've been packing and shooting this Gun, I've probably put about 6 Boxes +/- of Buffalo-Bore RR 255gr Keith loads, and about 3, maybe 4 Boxes of 300-320gr Alaska Back-Packer Loads,,,,,, so there you go,,,,, it all comes down to understanding what you've got, and how to use what you've got, and this Gun is still as Tight and Trigger Smooth as 1st purchased...... Lj.... I am sure the revolver can handle the abuse. It is my hand and wrist that would concern me. People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.

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Re: Which is better for bear? Idaho_Shooter #16379891 08/27/21
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,373 SW Idaho D dla OP Campfire Regular
OP dla Campfire Regular D Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,373 SW Idaho	Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter Originally Posted by AK375DGR Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter Originally Posted by AK375DGR Ok,,,,,, FWIW, here is what I've been carrying since about 2003, and it will get-er-done, if I do my part,,,,,, and I have... Lj If you can put full house bear loads through a 329, you're a far better man than I. I have a similar weighted Taurus Titanium tracker in 41 mag. I guarantee it will never see my 250 gr loads, and damned few hot 210 gr loads. Ok then,,,,,,, but just to be clear, I practice a lot, 7-800 rd's/yr. +/-, with .44 spl. loads, and those Cowboy action loads, as well as some standard off the shelf .44Mag loads, and in the 18 +/- yrs that I've been packing and shooting this Gun, I've probably put about 6 Boxes +/- of Buffalo-Bore RR 255gr Keith loads, and about 3, maybe 4 Boxes of 300-320gr Alaska Back-Packer Loads,,,,,, so there you go,,,,, it all comes down to understanding what you've got, and how to use what you've got, and this Gun is still as Tight and Trigger Smooth as 1st purchased...... Lj.... I am sure the revolver can handle the abuse. It is my hand and wrist that would concern me. Part of the fun gaining proficiency. Some loads are more painful than others. E.g. 300gr @1050fps is not a painful load for me. But a 240gr1250fps is and I won't shoot more than 3 cylinders of it. Even though the 300gr load has slightly more momentum, the recoil pulse is not as sharp. Btw, I'm talking about shooting a 329pd. Last edited by dla; 08/27/21. Reason: Clarification Castor Oil Case Lube Lee Auto Bench Prime

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16380190 08/27/21
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UPhiker Campfire Tracker U Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,856 Michigan	Most "damage" done by guns isn't immediately noticeable. It shows up years later when you start thinking things like "why is my wrist always sore and my fingers stiff?". I remember an article about that by John Taffin.

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16381331 08/27/21
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Mackay_Sagebrush Campfire Ranger M Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,845	10MM 200 grain truncated cone hard cast flat point. 1150 FPS. This is offhand at 15 yards in my Glock 21 .45 ACP with 10MM barrel installed. The load is quite accurate, totally reliable with a stock G20/21 recoil spring, and is easy enough to shoot that you can hammer them out it quick succession with some practice. THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running! www.lostriverammocompany.com

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16381506 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 389 Wyoming F frank500 Campfire Member
frank500 Campfire Member F Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 389 Wyoming	My 5” m and p 40 runs a 200 NOE WFN at dang near 1100 with longshot. Not much difference, cases do not bulge, primer pockets are still snug after several shots. Seven five gallon buckets of brass makes my desire to pick up empties very slim. Seems to me that multiple rapid hits are very effective as is one hit from a big gun like one of my fifties. The m and p sure packs easier than the smith 500 or my two 500 L single actions Last edited by frank500; 08/27/21.

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Re: Which is better for bear? frank500 #16381545 08/27/21
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OP dla Campfire Regular D Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,373 SW Idaho	Originally Posted by frank500 My 5” m and p 40 runs a 200 NOE WFN at dang near 1100 with longshot. Not much difference, cases do not bulge, primer pockets are still snug after several shots. Seven five gallon buckets of brass makes my desire to pick up empties very slim. Seems to me that multiple rapid hits are very effective as is one hit from a big gun like one of my fifties. The m and p sure packs easier than the smith 500 or my two 500 L single actions A big plus is that the m&p40 has excellent casehead support. Castor Oil Case Lube Lee Auto Bench Prime

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16381594 08/27/21
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 389 Wyoming F frank500 Campfire Member
frank500 Campfire Member F Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 389 Wyoming	They really do. I’ve run some loads through mine that did expand primer pockets. Pretty impressed with the m and p over the blocks. Yes I tried the block 20 but just could not get past the grip angle. Shot a thousand rounds and sold it. Carried it quite a bit too. Went back to a 1911 and revolvers until my friend shoved buckets of forty brass in the truck and said you need a 40....... so I got the Smith. Lots of police trade in magazines available for it.

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16383656 08/28/21
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,686 MOGC Campfire Outfitter
MOGC Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,686	Wish S&W would produce a 10mm M&P pistol. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Re: Which is better for bear? MOGC #16400102 09/02/21
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FreeMe Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2002 Posts: 10,248 ___ is what America was	Originally Posted by MOGC Wish S&W would produce a 10mm M&P pistol. If they did, I'd be on it in a heartbeat. Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16402847 09/03/21
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,795 The Palmetto State C cra1948 Campfire Outfitter
cra1948 Campfire Outfitter C Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,795 The Palmetto State	How about we have a "stopping big bears with a handgun" thread limited to only those who've done so? I mean, we're really big on BTDT and "pictures or it didn't happen" here. Mathew 22: 37-39

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Re: Which is better for bear? cra1948 #16402864 09/03/21
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desertoakie Campfire Regular D Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,903 west coast of Arizona	Originally Posted by cra1948 How about we have a "stopping big bears with a handgun" thread limited to only those who've done so? I mean, we're really big on BTDT and "pictures or it didn't happen" here. I believe if we set those guidelines, this thread would soon fade away. Better IMHO to allow the free expression of ideas of what one man's perfect solution to the proper handgun for bears. I am enjoying reading other's post on this thread. Ken

Re: Which is better for bear? cra1948 #16402889 09/03/21
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jmd025 Campfire Regular J Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,326	Originally Posted by cra1948 How about we have a "stopping big bears with a handgun" thread limited to only those who've done so? I mean, we're really big on BTDT and "pictures or it didn't happen" here. Then we could go the same route for self defense! And later we could even institute it for punching paper . Rabid Creedmoorians ring my doorbell ... as I open it a crack they speak : "Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior , 6.5Creed?"

Re: Which is better for bear? dla #16402890 09/03/21
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TheKid Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,173	I’ve never killed a bear that was trying to get me but I have 4 friends who’ve been unfortunate enough to have to do it with a handgun. This is one of my very best friends, he uses 240 Keith style bullets around 850fps, over spec for the 44sp but he isn’t shooting piles of them.

Re: Which is better for bear? desertoakie #16403198 09/04/21
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bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,031 Battle Born	Originally Posted by desertoakie Originally Posted by cra1948 How about we have a "stopping big bears with a handgun" thread limited to only those who've done so? I mean, we're really big on BTDT and "pictures or it didn't happen" here. I believe if we set those guidelines, this thread would soon fade away. Better IMHO to allow the free expression of ideas of what one man's perfect solution to the proper handgun for bears. I am enjoying reading other's post on this thread. We'd have to listen to 458 win tell us how its done. He did it with a 9mm and lived to tell the story. I don't think I'd want to try it, but since there is no such thing as kinetic energy and "knock down power", I think I'd be alright.. ha ha.. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: Which is better for bear? jwp475 #16403266 09/04/21
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,849 Smoky Mountains, TN bwinters Campfire Outfitter
bwinters Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,849 Smoky Mountains, TN	Originally Posted by jwp475 Originally Posted by DLALLDER Something that some "bear killers" don't know is that a bullet put into the actual heart of a bear will not stop him. A bear's heart rate is slow, slow, slow giving him time to kill you even after you putting a bullet or several into him. A CNS shot is all that will prevent him from killing you. Lots of luck with that when he is charging you!!!! Of course what you say about a bear having a slow heart beat is true. But when you say that a CNS shot us the only way to keep the bear from killing you, is most certainly not true. Too many instances where body shot saved the day. How do you know that? You should tell that story to see if any answers change...... Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Re: Which is better for bear? MOGC #16416922 09/09/21
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Rugernut Campfire Regular R Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,111 KY/GA	[quote=MOGC]Wish S&W would produce a 10mm M&P pistol. [/quote I’ve been emailing them for years about producing one… Nothing but crickets!

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