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Chair of the Republican Governors Assoc even.

Relative got this alert today.

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Fugk every elected leader in Arizona!


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Duh.

Uniparty hacks showing us that voting has become a farce

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Well, according to ATF muzzle loaders are not firearms.

You can run, but you can't hide from my muzzle loader.

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Everyone in elected office, just about, would love to have the power to send the cops to collect anyone's guns who speaks out of turn about elected office holders. That's what the rule of law is for (to include due process), i.e., to deny them that sort of power.

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Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Well, according to ATF muzzle loaders are not firearms.

You can run, but you can't hide from my muzzle loader.

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Yeah, I know, it doesn't look like a ML, but it is. .40-.38x55 Harry Pope understands.......
Ain't it dangerous to be a shootin' obstructions outten the bore? How cum it don't shoot yer eye out?

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Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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No way are so called "red flag laws" constitutional. Confiscating some ones property that has broken no laws can't be constitutional



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No way are so called "red flag laws" constitutional. Confiscating some ones property that has broken no laws can't be constitutional


When did that ^^^^ ever stop them from passing a law???


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
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No way are so called "red flag laws" constitutional. Confiscating some ones property that has broken no laws can't be constitutional


When did that ^^^^ ever stop them from passing a law???


When did passing a law ever stop a nutjob from killing anyone when they were set on it?


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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No way are so called "red flag laws" constitutional. Confiscating some ones property that has broken no laws can't be constitutional


When did that ^^^^ ever stop them from passing a law???


When did passing a law ever stop a nutjob from killing anyone when they were set on it?


I think they like to pass laws, Constitutional or otherwise, because the majority of them are lawyers and have nothing better to do.


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It would be a license to destroy anyone you don’t like. We have enough trouble with leftists spewing hate as it is.

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Everyone needs to cool their emotions off right now.

Politicians run on emotions and feedback from the public with THEIR emotions.

US history is full of gun control and anti-constitutional measures taken in the heat of emotional times.

The stupid assed laws they pass in these times never go away either. mad


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Originally Posted by jwp475
No way are so called "red flag laws" constitutional. Confiscating some ones property that has broken no laws can't be constitutional
Of course it's not. Clear violation of both the Fourth and Second Amendments, not to mention the Fifth. Seizures of your possessions are unconstitutional without a warrant, and a warrant requires probable cause (Fourth Amendment), i.e., sufficient evidence to convince a judge that you are more likely than not a criminal. And the Fifth Amendment states that you cannot be deprived of any of your property without due process of law. That means, prior to such a deprivation, you have a right to hire an attorney and face your accuser in a court of law. It also means you must be informed what you are being accused of, and have a chance to challenge the veracity of the accusation in a court of law with the assistance of counsel. All that has to happen first, or it would provide no barrier against tyrannical action by the state, which is its purpose.

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The job of a politician has become to get reelected and protect the government. The Constitution prevents that, so they simply don't follow it. We as voters have been lazy, and given up the farm.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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No way are so called "red flag laws" constitutional. Confiscating some ones property that has broken no laws can't be constitutional


When did that ^^^^ ever stop them from passing a law???


When did passing a law ever stop a nutjob from killing anyone when they were set on it?


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The problem isn't "red flagging" dangerous people. We all actually want that. The problem is a government that can't be trusted with that task.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
The problem isn't "red flagging" dangerous people. We all actually want that. The problem is a government that can't be trusted with that task.
I don't believe many here WANT that.


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Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Originally Posted by ltppowell
The problem isn't "red flagging" dangerous people. We all actually want that. The problem is a government that can't be trusted with that task.
I don't believe many here WANT that.


Don't worry.

We all know you don't have any guns. You're just here to troll.

Insane but harmless.


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