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“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, g but you ignore the more important aspects of the law— justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.
This is what I read in New Testament. Jesus spoke in Matthew 23:23
1st John 4:7-8
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“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law— justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.
This is what I read in New Testament. Jesus spoke in Matthew 23:23 This was before He instituted His New Covenant, and this was before His redeeming death on the cross. And besides that, the old covenant (the Law of Moses) was between God and the ancient Israelites, and no one else.
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Well since Christians are not told to Tithe but to give as we are blessed... No. Tithing was under the 1st covenant with Abraham... Christians live under the new covenant in Christs blood... AKA the 2nd covenant for salvation... We are told by Jesus to follow his commands... He does not command us to tithe but he tells us to give as we are blessed... we are not called to give a certain percentage.
Any preacher that preaches you have to give a certain percentage is either incredibly uneducated on the bible or are simple a false teacher.... Exactly right!!! Well since Christians are not told to Tithe but to give as we are blessed... No. Tithing was under the 1st covenant with Abraham... Christians live under the new covenant in Christs blood... AKA the 2nd covenant for salvation... We are told by Jesus to follow his commands... He does not command us to tithe but he tells us to give as we are blessed... we are not called to give a certain percentage.
Any preacher that preaches you have to give a certain percentage is either incredibly uneducated on the bible or are simple a false teacher.... So, there is no value in reading or paying any attention to the Old Testament? An explanation of why or why not would be in order… There is definitely value in reading and studying the Old Testament, but as Christians we’re under the new covenant. For us the Old Testament is fulfilled. Jesus said we are to be cheerful givers.
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“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law— justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.
This is what I read in New Testament. Jesus spoke in Matthew 23:23 This was before He instituted His New Covenant, and this was before His redeeming death on the cross. And besides that, the old covenant (the Law of Moses) was between God and the ancient Israelites, and no one else. Exactly right!
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
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Both true , yet I still practice tithing and giving because I have found that it works in my life. Following the practice spoken of in Malachi , saying test me and see. I have never been able to out give God. I also have had some pretty lean times in my life yet I am still here and have been truly Blessed finacially and all other ways. I have not starved to death yet, or been without shelter or basic needs.
1st John 4:7-8
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Yes! Read the book of Malachi. I might would suggest you read the book of Malachi carefully to see who he was chastising. As to tithing, you might read closely to see what was subject to tithing. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't wages. The purpose of tithing was the support of the Levite priesthood and the administration of the Jewish nation. The Levites did not get an inheritance.
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We happily tithe and have for decades, it’s quite the honor.
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Nowhere in the New Testament are Jesus’ followers commanded to give one tenth of their annual produce or earnings. Christians should take the whole Bible into consideration, not just the New Testament. Jesus said so Himself. You all in for stoning to death people who dishonor their parents…? You all in for stoning to death adulterers…? That has nothing to do with it, and if you actually knew anything, you'd know that. If you believe in Jesus, then you also must believe in the Old Testament. No other way around it.
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I drop a decent amount of money in. But my motives are selfish. I simply want the Church to remain viable,....not many LCMS Lutherans around here. This is Baptist country. I inadvertently discovered that my nature makes me an LCMS Lutheran.
I'm sure that my Methodist ancestors are spinning in their graves,....well,...some of them, anyway.
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Nowhere in the New Testament are Jesus’ followers commanded to give one tenth of their annual produce or earnings. Christians should take the whole Bible into consideration, not just the New Testament. Jesus said so Himself. You all in for stoning to death people who dishonor their parents…? You all in for stoning to death adulterers…? That has nothing to do with it, and if you actually knew anything, you'd know that. If you believe in Jesus, then you also must believe in the Old Testament. No other way around it. Those commandments are straight outta the Old Testament ~ the very one that you assert you “must believe in.” Is believing in (putting your trust and confidence in) the Old Testament a requirement for ‘your’ salvation…?
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Nowhere in the New Testament are Jesus’ followers commanded to give one tenth of their annual produce or earnings. Christians should take the whole Bible into consideration, not just the New Testament. Jesus said so Himself. You all in for stoning to death people who dishonor their parents…? You all in for stoning to death adulterers…? That has nothing to do with it, and if you actually knew anything, you'd know that. If you believe in Jesus, then you also must believe in the Old Testament. No other way around it. Those commandments are straight outta the Old Testament ~ the very one that you assert you “must believe in.” Is believing in the Old Testament a requirement for your salvation…? Believing in Jesus is a requirement, and He said that He did not come to change the laws, but to fulfill the prophecy.......the prophecy that is found in the Old Testament. You cannot believe in one, and not the other, that's not the way it works.
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Nowhere in the New Testament are Jesus’ followers commanded to give one tenth of their annual produce or earnings. Christians should take the whole Bible into consideration, not just the New Testament. Jesus said so Himself. You all in for stoning to death people who dishonor their parents…? You all in for stoning to death adulterers…? That has nothing to do with it, and if you actually knew anything, you'd know that. If you believe in Jesus, then you also must believe in the Old Testament. No other way around it. Those commandments are straight outta the Old Testament ~ the very one that you assert you “must believe in.” Is believing in the Old Testament a requirement for your salvation…? Believing in Jesus is a requirement, and He said that He did not come to change the laws, but to fulfill the prophecy.......the prophecy that is found in the Old Testament. You cannot believe in one, and not the other, that's not the way it works. I absolutely believe every word of the Old Testament. You answered the question though Jesus fulfilled the prophecy, the Old Testament is complete. Christians are under the new covenant.
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
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Believing in Jesus is a requirement, and He said that He did not come to change the laws, but to fulfill the prophecy.......the prophecy that is found in the Old Testament. You cannot believe in one, and not the other, that's not the way it works. No, He said He didn’t come to “abolish” the Law of Moses (as in to ‘destroy’ it), but to “fulfill it.” And fulfill it He did. And now that old covenant (the Law of Moses)…which was only applicable to the ancient Israelites to begin with…is retired. It has been retired in favor of Jesus’ New Covenant, a better covenant ~ which is applicable to anyone who wants to take part in it. Jesus quoted from the Jewish scriptures to show that He is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies and promises, and ‘the Law’ itself. Jesus’ followers are not under the old covenant (the Law of Moses). At all.
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Believing in Jesus is a requirement, and He said that He did not come to change the laws, but to fulfill the prophecy.......the prophecy that is found in the Old Testament. You cannot believe in one, and not the other, that's not the way it works. No, He said He didn’t come to “abolish” the Law of Moses (as in to ‘destroy’ it), but to “fulfill it.” And fulfill it He did. And now that old covenant (the Law of Moses)…which was only applicable to the ancient Israelites to begin with…is retired. It has been retired in favor of Jesus’ New Covenant, a better covenant ~ which is applicable to anyone who wants to take part in it. Jesus quoted from the Jewish scriptures to show that He is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies and promises, and ‘the Law’ itself. Jesus’ followers are not under the old covenant (the Law of Moses). At all. Bingo!
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
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Mormons.........ready, set, go!
Hasn't been a good religion bashing thread in at least three weeks.
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We are "cheerful givers". and.......... '...not grudgingly or under compulsion...' 'Tithe' - NO, 'Give' - YES... I ride that train too. Don't currently attend a facility.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Believing in Jesus is a requirement, and He said that He did not come to change the laws, but to fulfill the prophecy.......the prophecy that is found in the Old Testament. You cannot believe in one, and not the other, that's not the way it works. Lots of folks like to twist Jesus' words. He very clearly said he did not come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill. And he further said not one iota of the law would pass away until heaven and earth pass away. Then someone will trot out the 600+ laws of Moses. Well now, I can't burn a bull on my altar because I don't have an altar even if it creates a sweet aroma to the Lord. And the laws pertaining to kings I don't follow or the ones pertaining to Levite Priests. And of course I'm in no position to order the stoning of prostitutes or homos. But I do follow the dietary laws pretty well and I don't crap in the yard close to the house. And I obey the sabbath within reason (Jesus discussed that). Whatever someone that came along after Jesus wants to claim that Jesus really meant I don't pay much attention to especially if he got his commission as an apostle in a secret meeting on a road out in the desert unlike all the other apostles who were called publicly. It doesn't make sense that Jesus forgot to tell his whole story while he was here. Jesus endorsed the law and while he accepted Gentiles and Samaritans he did NOT excuse them from the law and the prophets. He did not end the Jewish covenant. You cannot twist Jesus words to make that case. No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, he did not.
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Nowhere in the New Testament are Jesus’ followers commanded to give one tenth of their annual produce or earnings. exactly
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