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I got my fill of the Teamsters way back in the late 70's. I was a new employee of a trucking company when their contract ran out. They'd been working on a new contract and the union president, Frank Fitzsimmons at that time, said he wanted the members to vote it down. The regional business agent came to our local and said we were going to vote it down. Period. He wouldn't even read it to tell us what we were voting on. He had a near riot on his hands as you don't tell conservative Idahoans how to vote blindly. Guys were coming in the doors with buckets of hot tar and feathers. He was finally forced to read it and it was actually a pretty good contract. It passed almost unanimously in our local but what's 30 members compared to the national membership. We were on strike for 2 weeks after that.

At that time, Teamster rank and file members couldn't vote for national officials. It was the aftermath of the Hoffa years when they picked our leaders for us. The feds finally broke up that mess and gave members a vote on their leadership. It didn't change much. The whole union was still totally corrupt.


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yea, that's the kind of schit that will turn you off real quick

I was loading a truck and the veteran union guys (the lifers) worked sorting. If I was working too fast, they'd intentionally sort the packages wrong to slow me down. It was frustrating from day one.Then everyone is mad, you are mad at them, they are mad at you, they are shoving a bunch of wrong schit down the chute to your truck that you have to pick off - at some point you just start kicking boxes off the belt to the floor - brand new TVs, I didn't give a schit, I was behind and getting yelled at because the phugging Union guy wanted to get his 20 minutes of OT.

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Lotsa poor info here.

I have been using Roadway / Yellow freight, later YRC for more than 40 years.

From time to time I would get into a disagreement with YRC over damage , or something or other.

I would leave them....for a while. We would get it straightened out.

We have several pieces of freight inbound and outbound now.

I have known many , many drivers , managers , salesmen, etc.

The biggest thing that hurt YRC tremendously was the union, and some goofy drivers , saying YRC was in trouble and constantly putting the lip on YRC. This cost YRC much billable invoices.

The employees were better off last week than they will be again.

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How badly is this shutdown going to affect the supply chain?

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Originally Posted by gregintenn
How badly is this shutdown going to affect the supply chain?

There's currently a pile of excess capacity relative to demand. It's why freight rates are so low.

The freight that large shippers like Amazon/Walmart (2 largest allegedly for Yellow) moved their stuff to other players over the last, call it 2 weeks. Not everyone can handle it as a light switch of course, I've heard Estes is struggling in the west with the volume increase but Western ops are hard with less density.

That said - legitimately, right now, if it's delayed - it's not because of the truck. It's at the dock, not the truck. Not hard to find trucks right now, middle mile or OTR etc.

Realize that Yellow and LTL isn't the same as OTR/FTL.


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It's actually funny how the people of this country stay at each others throats ( union vs non union, gay vs strait, Dem. vs Rep., anti gun vs second amendment, etc, etc, etc) while the UNIPARTY gleefully marches on. What a bunch of dumb #$ucks we are.

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So why haven't we acted on G. K. Chesterton's idea about politicians?

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Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by gregintenn
How badly is this shutdown going to affect the supply chain?

There's currently a pile of excess capacity relative to demand. It's why freight rates are so low.

The freight that large shippers like Amazon/Walmart (2 largest allegedly for Yellow) moved their stuff to other players over the last, call it 2 weeks. Not everyone can handle it as a light switch of course, I've heard Estes is struggling in the west with the volume increase but Western ops are hard with less density.

That said - legitimately, right now, if it's delayed - it's not because of the truck. It's at the dock, not the truck. Not hard to find trucks right now, middle mile or OTR etc.

Realize that Yellow and LTL isn't the same as OTR/FTL.

Our office furniture supplier dumped Yellow a little over a year back[mostly LTL] Thank GOD

Worst service/speed/equipment etc
Loads would sit for a week or more on leaking trailers, half the trailers that came here were like a Rubiks Cube to get the door up.

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I'd like to see where that 700 million went I bet you the top people in the business and in the Union got pockets full...


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So more BS from the OP. The company failed on its own.


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Originally Posted by KFWA
is a shame unions have such a bad rap. they are responsible for so much quality of life for the average American worker.

^^^^This^^^^

Unions became "big" when the railroads grew up.
Working conditions were horrid.
A brakeman had to walk the top of a moving train to set and release brakes.
There were no automatic couplers.
No hours of service.

As union progressed, tge engineer became the highest paid crew member. Since they only ran the engine, their working conditions were relatively safe, so their union fought for wages.
Brakemen, on the other hand had to fight for working conditions AND wages!

George Westinghouse developed airbrakes and someone else invented automatic couplers.

The railroads have bought out Unions left and right.
A crew historically had
1) conductor (foreman)
2) engineer
3) two brakemen, one on each end
4) fireman - basically, an engineer trainee

The railroad now has two man crews and F.R E.D.*!

The railroad wants one man crews and/or remote controlled engines, or no human crew!

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not really kept up this situation but I kind of wonder if it's not in the play of like many other businesses have been. the file for bankruptcy and reorganize without Union help...

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Originally Posted by atvalaska
I'd like to see where that 700 million went I bet you the top people in the business and in the Union got pockets full...


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The first tranche of the loan was $300 million, which was used to clear the deck of the company’s immediate cash needs. It covered previously delayed health care and pension plan contribution payments, lease payments on equipment and real estate, and even interest payments on its other debt, among other items.

A $400 million second tranche was used to fund capital expenditures, largely the purchase of tractors and trailers, which received considerable scrutiny from industry participants. The thought on the part of the government may have been, “In for a penny, in for a pound.” Yellow estimated it would save $10,000 to $12,000 per tractor annually running newer models, and that the upgrades would be the key to reaching longer-term financial stability.

In total, the company replaced roughly 2,400 tractors (17% of the fleet) and 3,600 trailers, and it purchased 600 rail containers — executing roughly three years of tractor capex in a 15-month period. However, the new loan raised its total outstanding debt to nearly $1.6 billion from $880 million at the end of the 2020 first quarter (the last update prior to the loan announcement).

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Originally Posted by ldholton
not really kept up this situation but I kind of wonder if it's not in the play of like many other businesses have been. the file for bankruptcy and reorganize without Union help...
I’ve seen it before here in MN Union Mining country.


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This sounds a lot like what happened to Consolidated Freightways. Corn Flake had over a thousand trucks on the road, and shut down over a weekend. They had rolling stock stranded in truck stops nationwide- - - -fired all the drivers. There was a pretty good rumor for many years that CF was a money laundering operation for the mob. One of my former students worked in one of their maintenance facilities, and he was always offering to "deal with" any students who gave me trouble- - - -"We've got people who do that, and they're good at it!"


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Originally Posted by Teal
Internal email from Tue last week at Yellow

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4th largest barn they had last week - no freight getting tendered to them due to uncertainty = head shot to the company from about 1 inch.

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Originally Posted by jackmountain
How does someone driving a truck 5 days a week “earn” $105,000? You ever hear all the folks bitching about what shipping things cost? That’s why it’s over priced, because those drivers are over paid. Sorry but there’s a value to a man’s labor and driving a truck ain’t worth $105,000 for 2080 hours of their time.

How much should they get paid?

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Don't cry about what they make if you aren't willing to do their job? I can't wrap my head around some monkey holding a steering wheel earning six figures.

Monkey make more than you do ?

All of you boys that think you should determine a working mans pay, are welcome to put your hands on the wheel and grab a gear !

No, I am not a truck driver.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
Yellow Trucking one of the largest and oldest Trucking companies in America told the Teamsters Union to Pound Sand and closed its doors instead of continuing to be extorted by the Mob.

30,000 workers will be displaced and the Union gets NOTHING and the brain dead workers get less.

Next will be to sell off their assets which will acquired by those that will never allow a Union Thug on their property, bring profits up, stability up and work ethic up.

ROCK ON YELLOW

Some may say you’re stupid but in reality, you are just ignorant.

How many friends do you have that work there ?

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All of you boys that think you should determine a working mans pay, are welcome to put your hands on the wheel and grab a gear ![quote]






^^^^^^^^This, in spades^^^^^^^^

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