|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 637 Likes: 2
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 637 Likes: 2 |
My 6.5 CM has performed well with Hunter, Big Game, I4350, and H4350. But it really shines with StaBall 6.5 through it's 20" barrel. I'd like to play with RL26 but haven't been able to get my hands on any.
ttpoz
in silvam ne ligna feras (don't carry logs into the forest)
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 205
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 205 |
H4350 is the original powder used by Hornady. Fed 210m primer. If your rifle won’t shoot that with a 140 sell it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 17,283 Likes: 4
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 17,283 Likes: 4 |
Got any recipes for the 143ELDX? I have all of the mentioned powders.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,295
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,295 |
what rifle did you shoot it out of ?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,255 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,255 Likes: 2 |
This is a 3 shot group at 500 yards that measured just slightly less than 1 1/2 inches. Load was 41.0 H4350, CCI 200 primer, 140 Barnes Match Burner bullet, in a Hornady case. The rifle and load can probably do better, but with my 73 year old eyes, don't know if I could.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241 |
I have 143's loaded with 44 gr. Staball 6.5 I'll be running past the chrony. Looking for low SD's and ES's.
Too many other loads using H4350 so looking to off-load one of 'em with something equivalent or better.
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 48,200 Likes: 23
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 48,200 Likes: 23 |
I have 143's loaded with 44 gr. Staball 6.5 I'll be running past the chrony. Looking for low SD's and ES's.
Too many other loads using H4350 so looking to off-load one of 'em with something equivalent or better. StaBall 6.5 is not going to be "better" per se, but it will be a good substitution. I use it when I don't want to dip into my stash of H4350. I was out with my Tikka superlite yesterday, checking a couple different loads. One being the one I use in one of my CTR's. It did alright in my superlite, even though it was tailored around another rifle: I was going to check it at the 400 yard range, but there was a line of hunters checking their rifles. Deer season is on us over here. This is a 3 shot group at 500 yards that measured just slightly less than 1 1/2 inches. Load was 41.0 H4350, CCI 200 primer, 140 Barnes Match Burner bullet, in a Hornady case. The rifle and load can probably do better, but with my 73 year old eyes, don't know if I could. Looks like it's shooting great James..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241 |
I have 143's loaded with 44 gr. Staball 6.5 I'll be running past the chrony. Looking for low SD's and ES's.
Too many other loads using H4350 so looking to off-load one of 'em with something equivalent or better. StaBall 6.5 is not going to be "better" per se, but it will be a good substitution. I use it when I don't want to dip into my stash of H4350. I was out with my Tikka superlite yesterday, checking a couple different loads. One being the one I use in one of my CTR's. It did alright in my superlite, even though it was tailored around another rifle: Finally got around to trying StaBall 6.5 in the 6.5CM factory 22" barrel this morning. The best load of the bunch was 44.0 grains with a 5-shot MV average of 2,721 fps and S-D of 4.6, and E-S of 12. I'm going to tinker with 0.2 grains on either side of the 44 grain load and see what happens. In any case, I think it's time I rustle up a keg of StaBall 6.5
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,032 Likes: 4
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,032 Likes: 4 |
I've used both H4350 and RL-16 successfully with 140s. I've got some StaBall 6.5 but haven't tried it yet.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241 |
I have 143's loaded with 44 gr. Staball 6.5 I'll be running past the chrony. Looking for low SD's and ES's.
Too many other loads using H4350 so looking to off-load one of 'em with something equivalent or better. StaBall 6.5 is not going to be "better" per se, but it will be a good substitution. I use it when I don't want to dip into my stash of H4350. I was out with my Tikka superlite yesterday, checking a couple different loads. One being the one I use in one of my CTR's. It did alright in my superlite, even though it was tailored around another rifle: Finally got around to trying StaBall 6.5 in the 6.5CM factory 22" barrel this morning. The best load of the bunch was 44.0 grains with a 5-shot MV average of 2,721 fps and S-D of 4.6, and E-S of 12. I'm going to tinker with 0.2 grains on either side of the 44 grain load and see what happens. In any case, I think it's time I rustle up a keg of StaBall 6.5 I tried both sides of 44.0 grains and 44.0 ended up the most consistent. Oh, yea, and I went ahead and bought a keg. Next up is the 143 grain BondStrike bullet using StaBALL 6.5. It would be nice if they group best with a charge of 44.0 grains, but I doubt I'll be that lucky. I'll find out tomorrow.
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,918 Likes: 71
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,918 Likes: 71 |
Winchester 760 or H-414 will work
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,255 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,255 Likes: 2 |
Winchester 760 or H-414 will work Never tried 760 with anything but the 120 grains in the 6.5, but it really produced an accurate load.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,918 Likes: 71
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,918 Likes: 71 |
Winchester 760 or H-414 will work Never tried 760 with anything but the 120 grains in the 6.5, but it really produced an accurate load. Load data straight from Hornady before much was published. He told me if I wanted a bit more velocity, use 760. I shot a course record matching score of 58 (at that time. 59 was shot by a friend subsequently) at Whittington’s Sporting Rifle Match with that 760 load
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,918 Likes: 71
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,918 Likes: 71 |
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 158
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 158 |
H4350 and 140gr & 143gr for multiple rifles, all sub moa shooters.. Sta-ball is temp sensitive, I have 11lbs left that I'll burn up in gas guns for plinking and never buy it again.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,659 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,659 Likes: 1 |
So what real world velocities are all you H4350 lovers getting? In 22" barrels Book numbers for velocity with 4350 are considerably lower than those for StaBall 6.5 or RL-16. I'm about to start load development for a new rifle & have all of those plus plenty of other choices. Thanks. MM
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,241 |
So what real world velocities are all you H4350 lovers getting? In 22" barrels Book numbers for velocity with 4350 are considerably lower than those for StaBall 6.5 or RL-16. I'm about to start load development for a new rifle & have all of those plus plenty of other choices. Thanks. MM I'm loading 143's in my hunting rifle with a 22" barrel. H4350 gets me just over 2,600 fps. With StaBALL 6.5 I'm getting 2,700+ fps. Next up is N555 later this year.
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,659 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 23,659 Likes: 1 |
Thank you. That's about the difference I'm seeing from most sources, maybe a little less than some.
MM
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,550 Likes: 7
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 14,550 Likes: 7 |
So what real world velocities are all you H4350 lovers getting? In 22" barrels Book numbers for velocity with 4350 are considerably lower than those for StaBall 6.5 or RL-16. I'm about to start load development for a new rifle & have all of those plus plenty of other choices. Thanks. MM In 22” barrels, I’m getting 2630-2650 at the muzzle with H4350 and the 147 ELD.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,560
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,560 |
StaBALL 6.5 and Reloder-17 have been challenging in a similar fashion for me. Velocity gains over my traditional loadings has been a given with these powders, but obtaining accuracy has been a fight. However, in my 6.5 Creedmoor and .270, I have worked up loads with StaBALL that are accuracy-competitive to my traditional H4350 and H4831 loadings, while at the same time I have gained 75-100 ft/sec.in velocity
|
|
|
|
688 members (06hunter59, 10gaugemag, 007FJ, 01Foreman400, 10Glocks, 68 invisible),
2,996
guests, and
1,332
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,642
Posts18,512,316
Members74,010
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|