Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Hockey death....homicide? What say you?

When Bristoe first posted the video it just looked like physics and what can happen in Hockey, but upon reviewing the video, I have only seen one angle, it does look like he tried to get a piece of him too, as well as the original intent to hit the first guy.

It doesn't seem like a Todd Bertuzzi type of intent, or a Marty McSorley intent to injure either, which are on a different level, but it still looks like intent to me.

If true the question should be....how did he make it that far into pro or even junior Hockey?

When I fist viewed the video, I thought it might have been inadvertent, and the result of a missed block on the first player (who I believe was offside). I watched it over and I think any contact with the first player was incidental and it was Johnson who was the target of the block. Petgrave intended to take Johnson off the puck as he crossed the line. Johnson had already altered course to avoid the block and Petgrave was out of position to make any kind of clean block. His response was to try a flying kick instead. It was a deliberate dirty play, with the potential to cause serious injury which, of course, it did. What the end result of the investigation might be, I can't say. One would like to think that the investigation will be impartial and balanced, but I don't know. GD

His race will provide him with a massive protective factor with regards to any decision to prosecute or not.

Yes the best way I can describe the kick as in Taekwondo is a front leg side kick. It is a common move in tournament fighting as a checking move (usually), one to stop an attack. As it doesn't have the power of a rear leg side kick or a turning back kick.
The power of this kick is greatly enhanced if it is a running flying kick or in this case a fast moving skating kick.
Granted with a sharp blade on your foot even a standing check kick could cause the damage.
Given that the kick was thrown at a high level, he probably had some training.
In my opinion charges should definitely be filed.

15 years,...manslaughter.

Not intentional

Doesn't have to be intentional it was a careless dangerous move.

Can those who have played hockey at any level greater than pond please raise their hand?

There's no doubt it was intentional, unless you're saying that someone had planted a chip in his brain and controlled his motions with a remote control device. There's no place in the sport of hockey for karate style kicks to the throat of an opposition player.

Second degree murder. Not manslaughter. Manslaughter is if you punch someone, or push someone, and they fall and land badly, resulting in death. It's when you don't expect serious harm, but somehow death results anyway. That's not what happened here.

He asked if it was intentional. I answered.

I'm saying it wasn't intentional. That in fact does "make doubt."

Hand raised.

The guy was hip checked and his leg went up. Ever been hip checked?

Ever been hip checked? Hell, most of these guys probably never went to a game.

I should have said that no reasonable person could believe it was unintentional.

Yes I do agree my intention was to explain what I saw. Do I think he meant to kill him? I do not.

Exactly.

Looks to me like the kicker puts his left arm out and makes contact with Johnsons' team mate just prior to kicking Johnson. I don't see the hip check Tzone is talking about.

What does a hip check have to do with this situation.

Intent to kill isn't the required intent for second degree murder. If I hit you over the head with a baseball bat, but only intended to make an impression on you about what we were arguing about, that's intent enough, since one is held to the reasonable person standard in this regard. A reasonable person knows that a baseball bat to the head is potentially lethal, and a reasonable person knows that a kick to the head/neck area, while wearing skates, is potentially lethal. That's intent enough for second degree murder. The video leaves no room for reasonable doubt as to whether he intended to strike the victim in the head/neck region with his skates. Doesn't matter if he didn't mean to kill him, but only intended to prevent him from accomplishing his objective in the game. He intended to strike him with the skate, and that's all that's required.