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Originally Posted by deflave
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I have been thinking about a 9mm for a while.

I have an XD 45....so I was thinking about getting a nine.


All the cops around here carry M&P 9's.


I suppose a 17 or 34would be the most recommended on the 'Fire.

Don't forget the 47 and 45.
Which is the standard 19 that is cut for an optic??


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My police trade in gen4 G22 is still my go to for full sized.

Safariland paddle with retention is comfy and secure, but easy on/off.

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As for the G34, I've carried an M&P 2.0 5" IWB comfortably in kydex, but the length made AIWB suck

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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
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That would be an awesome dedicated house gun.

Yeah because carrying it is inconceivable.
Not inconceivable, but sitting down might be a trick.

I have carried one IWB for a long time, including working protection details using my G34.

I can't see how carrying a 5" 1911 is totally fine, but carrying a Glock 34 "Might be a trick'

Here is a little "Theory vs reality"

What people think might be a trick, vs people who carry them and know, is that a G34 and a 1911 are actually virtually identical in size as you can see here:

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

And a 1911 with 9 rounds of 45 weighs 2 pounds 15 ounces total, as shown below:


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

versus a Glock 34 9mm.

Shown in this pic with two, 21 round ETS mags +1 for the chamber for a total of 43 rounds and it weighs 2 pounds 14 ounces.


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

You end up weighing less than the 1911, and having 34 more rounds on board, using the old ETS mags. That said I just use those for practice these days.



Using Glock factory mags instead, I lose a single round overall. 42 rounds instead of 43.

These days I use a Glock factory 17 round mag as a primary, and a Glock factory 24 round mag as a reload, plus one in the pipe, for a total of 42 rounds.

The Glock weighs substantially less obviously and is the same size. With a spare extended magazine you end up with 33 round advantage over the 1911 (9 rounds of .45 vs 42 rounds of 9mm). 

No trick at all.

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Plus the G34 is probably the easiest gun there is to shoot well when it comes to iron sighted 9mms. It is an incredibly easy gun to shoot fast and accurately with. There is a very good reason why the gun is such a dominant force in the action shooting sports, when talking about non RDO equipped guns.
Good point. Didn't realize it was the same slide length as a Government Model. I carried those for years.

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When I stopped carrying a 1911, which I did for over 20yrs, I went to Glocks. Main reason was the arthritis in my gunhand did something to a nerve inside my" Browning Safety Riding thumb". In recoil, that safety ( I shot High Thumb forever and always) hit that nerve and "almost" made me Pee two to three small drops in my drawers! ha. It got to the point I lost some strength too. I replaced them with a Glock 34. The Ghost Trigger Disconnector really helped, but it was no 1911 Trigger! I could hit up close, but had a hard time hitting a pc of printing paper at 50yds. (coyote, etc, sometimes require "finessing" smile ) Anyhow, I settled on a G36 a long while, then a G30s, G29 was sweet, but this was after some surgeries, still needed more grip strength. So then I became a G19 addict. My little 4" Security Six 38 Special ( my dear friend gunsmith who died awhile back was a wiz at tuning revolvers, it is one accurate little Jewel) became my calling pistol, woods loafing buddy. To me, a good gunbelt/quality holster, the G34 - G17 worked swell, but the G19 ( sometimes a G23) stole my heart. THEN here came the G43x and the Shield Arms 15 shooter....."Bliss", ha.
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Alright.


Any of you svelte and stylish mofos got some concealment ideas for someone who tucks his button up shirt in and wears suspenders every day?


For a 17 or a 34?

Back in the pre suspenders days I carried what I wanted in a belt holster. A custom 1911 to a 5 inch XD 45 to a 5.5 inch 629.


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Alaska State Troopers are carrying G17s, Gen 5 with little red dots. They say it's a game changer.

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What kind of Red Dots Mr Marten T. we talking about? I never liked a light hanging off my pistol nor, so far, ever cared for the looks of an optic on my pistol. I'm weird that way, but I do not doubt the benefits of both. Just curious Sir? smile

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Alright.


Any of you svelte and stylish mofos got some concealment ideas for someone who tucks his button up shirt in and wears suspenders every day?

Do you want the holster to match your heels? 😂


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Yes, just spay the gun and holster to match exactly color of pants and shirt. You can get several outfits to match so you have spares for laundry downtime. Do not worry tyrants often wear same outfit daily so it can be done. If you do not mind being called: father, reverend,..... you can just dress all black. Advantages are no painting required and all black will make you appear slimmer.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Alright.


Any of you svelte and stylish mofos got some concealment ideas for someone who tucks his button up shirt in and wears suspenders every day?


For a 17 or a 34?

Back in the pre suspenders days I carried what I wanted in a belt holster. A custom 1911 to a 5 inch XD 45 to a 5.5 inch 629.

Serious question here.
I got the same problem.


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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Which is the standard 19 that is cut for an optic??

No.

The 47 is the size of a 17 grip frame but has a shorter dust cover and the guide rod/spring assembly of a 19. It allows you to run the 19 slide on a 17 sized grip frame or vice versa.

The 45 is the 19 size slide on the 47 (17 sized grip frame) straight out of the factory. It is also cut for an optic.

G45:

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

The 19X is the 47 frame with 19 slide but not cut for an optic.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Good point. Didn't realize it was the same slide length as a Government Model. I carried those for years.

We're well aware you don't know what you're talking about.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Good point. Didn't realize it was the same slide length as a Government Model. I carried those for years.

We're well aware you don't know what you're talking about.
There are many subjects about which this is true.

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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
There seems to be a misconception that one must specifically have a high capacity, optically sighted, generally full sized duty pistol to be considered fully capable.
I am perfectly comfortable with my Sig P-365XL and two twelve round mags. My eyes are still good enough that I don't feel I need optics..yet


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Need has nothing to do with a slide mounted optic.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Which is the standard 19 that is cut for an optic??

No.

The 47 is the size of a 17 grip frame but has a shorter dust cover and the guide rod/spring assembly of a 19. It allows you to run the 19 slide on a 17 sized grip frame or vice versa.

The 45 is the 19 size slide on the 47 (17 sized grip frame) straight out of the factory. It is also cut for an optic.

G45:

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

The 19X is the 47 frame with 19 slide but not cut for an optic.
Correct. I was wondering if something that was standard 19 size, grip/slide but wasn't designated at a 19xxx. Poor wording on my part.


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Originally Posted by Kenlguy
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Alright.


Any of you svelte and stylish mofos got some concealment ideas for someone who tucks his button up shirt in and wears suspenders every day?


For a 17 or a 34?

Back in the pre suspenders days I carried what I wanted in a belt holster. A custom 1911 to a 5 inch XD 45 to a 5.5 inch 629.

Serious question here.
I got the same problem.

I carried a Glock 17 as my concealed carry for 20+ years. For me it always came down to a cover garment.

In cool weather, just add a vest (no not one of those fisherman's style vest with 67 pockets that Ayoob carries sammiches in......grin).

Another favorite for cooler temps, a wifebeater undergarment, and a hoody sweatshirt to cover the gun (IWB holster).

The wife beater is optional, but I like it so I don't have the pistol or holster directly on my skin.

Having an old back injury that still gives me flare-ups with pain, wearing a snug fitting belt is not always possible. That's where suspenders and a looser belt tension come in. If I'm wearing suspenders, they are under the cover garment, and over the wife-beater or t-shirt undergarment.

In warm weather, a wife-beater undergarment, sometimes suspenders, then a lightweight summer shirt un-tucked.

For me it was hard to get accustomed to not tucking in a shirt, but sometimes necessity dictates.

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