Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Why fentanyl addiction is a good thing...

1) That may not be an moral position.
Every extended family has some bum who does not pay his bills. But we do not wish him dead.

2) That may not be practical even for the cold hearted.
Those that are dying are in their prime. They are potentially more valuable than babies or old fossils like me.

3) The insane homeless need to be institutionalized and treated.

And again.

Victim mindsets that think somebody or something will always come along and save em.

ER doc told us that he resuscitated a kid 5 different times.
After the 5th one the kid goes "see ya next week doc".

Just stop!

You have what could be considered a good academic theory. I myself run afoul of
others by voicing such. Oftentimes even debunking them due to the differences between theory and reality as it's affected by humans

That said, to come here and suggest that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans (millions, French fries to carfentinal it is abuse by substance)
if for some benefit goes beyond the academic into the realm Final Solutions.

If you haven't been touched, at least through close acquaintances, by the loss
of someone. Haven't watched someone struggle as their lived one struggle.

Haven't sat at work with a decades long colleague, and had him look you in the eye and say, "Karl, I'm glad he is in the State Prison. When he is there I know where he is,
and that he is relatively safe." As he chokes, turns his head so I didn't see the tears.


That particular you g man stole from family, was in and out of jail.
For numerous years. A good, very intelligent kid.

He now manages a big hardware store, helps other kids.

The world is BETTER off with him in it.


And you are still a POS!

You just poked all the forum NeoCon war mongerers in the eye. How dare you

Ok tough guy. But I'm not wrong. Amazing how many pussy social workers there are on this forum.

Talk to an ER nurse about how bad it is. Same people coming into the ER for resuscitation from an OD week after week. Same drug addicted losers---and thousands of dollars of taxpayer dollars spent for every visit. It's bankrupting some hospitals. Why in hell are we resuscitating these people?

You are too stupid to realize what an asshat you really are. Just quit posting and think about your initial post for 24 hours and report back. And FYIW these guys aren’t liberal sissies calling you out. Good grief you are a rock head.

You're the stupid one. If you get addicted to drugs, why should society shield you from the entirely predictable Darwinian consequences of your own choices? My daughter is an ER nurse. I've heard the stories. We need to let some of these people just plain die. What has been enlightening however is the way this thread has brought out the bleeding heart liberals/social workers!

Yes, it’s bad.

But this is hyperbolic clickbait.

"If they would rather die they had better do it and decrease the surplus population."

Ya, but using street drugs is a choice and like any choice, whoever makes the choice is responsible for the outcomes, for better or for worse. If someone takes a pill that wasn't prescribed for him/her, he/she is taking a risk. It could be real or it could be counterfeit, you pay your money and you take your chances.

If we really cared about reducing the manufacture, distribution, sale, and use of illegal street drugs, we'd have the will to execute anyone found in possession of any quantity greater than whatever one day's use would be. The Border Patrol catches people bringing drugs into the U.S. from Mexico on a regular basis. I wonder how many people would keep doing it if they knew that getting caught would guarantee that they would be executed. Public hanging in the zip code where the offense took place might get the attention of people who were thinking about doing.

Narcan can save someone who overdoses on opioids so that they can keep using. No Narcan, no being saved, no continued using. Problem solved. I've heard from paramedics who rolled to the same location multiple times a week to administer Narcan, often to the same person. I can't see where saving the same people over and over again has any benefit to society.

I come from a family with a long history of various addictions. I suspect that there is a genetic component. Most of the addicts were bipolar or clinically depressive or they suffered chronic migraines. As someone who suffers from chronic pain and headaches, I can certainly feel compassion for those who turn to drugs or alcohol to try to find a momentary reprieve from their pain or discomfort. The dead among my family members were good people. Smart and funny. Productive taxpaying members of society.

Contrary to what many people believe, older people represent a substantial percentage of those who die from opioid overdose. Almost 40% are over the age of 45.

I suspect that we have a significant number of members who are addicted to alcohol. About 10% of Americans suffer from Alcohol Use Disorder. Men are about twice as likely as women to suffer the disorder. There are over 140,000 alcohol related deaths in the USA each year. Are we equally glad these people are being removed from our population?

No cpr for someone who went swimming or from a capsized boat. they knew the risk. No search and rescue for lost or injured hikers. They knew the risk. No lifesaving care to folks in a car wreck. They knew the risk going out on the road.

Darwin at work.

Entirely different. You're describing accidents (tragedies) that were unexpected and not bargained for. Overdose and death is the entirely predictable and bargained-for result of becoming addicted to and using Fentanyl

Possibly...might be what is called a Watson Murder (if they knew the risk).

If you smoke, no lifesaving care for lung diseases. If you have a bad diet, no lifesaving care for dietary issues. If you drink, no lifesaving care for liver issues. If you are injured while hunting, no care for associated injuries. Overweight, no care for weight related issues. Play on a bicycle in traffic, no care for you, idiot.

We probably have most of our members covered at this point.

But the social workers on this site want us to keep rescuing the kid (shoveling money at him) when we can't even afford Medicare for seniors who worked their whole life without becoming addicted. It's messed up bigly.

It is not entirely different. He described potential results from bad decisions or mistakes.

The slide into "it could kill you" drugs use is often very slow and is triggered by a series of events with alcohol being the true gateway drug. Usually, a less than optimal upbringing and traumatic events kicks things off with alcohol/drug use in the teen years as they try to change the way they feel through the use of alcohol and drugs. So, it's not like someone is sitting around and just decides to use fentanyl. It's usually what they can afford/have access to at that point in their addiction when they get into the stuff that will kill them. I'd venture to guess that most who end up using fentanyl are at the point where they feel hopeless and honestly don't care if they live or die.

And then you have folks who had injuries and were over prescribed opioids for pain. Many a good man/woman has been destroyed by that crap. When the pills run out, they turn to whatever they can get.