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Skip buying a Colorado hunting -fishing license too, Definitely a good idea. Besides, there are wolves in CO now too. Chronic wasting disease has infected every game species and over half of their supreme court.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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What did you find to be the most damning fact that the court identified? Findings of fact from the lower court ruling start on page 25 if you're so inclined. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-c...griswold-order-district-court-denver.pdfPage 40, THE SPEECH AT THE ELLIPSE. In my opinion this section was likely the most "damning fact" that the court identified. Also noteworthy is the section on THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL starting on page 46, and the section on TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE ATTACK starting on page 52.
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Can we file a class action lawsuit against Colorado. This is a federal election, which affects all of us. They are denying the electoral votes in a close election.
This is a serious question. Be careful going down that road. 1 This is NOT a Federal Election, there are no federal elections, only State, local, municipality, county and such.... there are State Elections to 'Federal' offices if you will.. 2 It was only about 20/25 years ago, IIRC, that some in DC suggested that ALL Senate seats be elected by a NATIONWIDE vote, since '...their position affects us all...' 3 There is NO US Constitutional right to vote, that is a State Right if you have it. 4 There is NO US Constitutional popular vote for POTUS. 5 As to whether or not it is 'democratic' it's NOT, and there is nothing about our Constitutional Government that IS democratic.... If the States want to be, they have the right to be. While I'm on my little soap box, we often hear the phrase '...three co-equal branches of government...' - which is absolutely false, IMHO. Congress passes Laws by a majority, the POTUS can say NO/Veto = very UNdemocratic by the way. AND not so EQUAL The Congress can override the POTUS Veto and PASS the Law, also not EQUAL. Congress with the POTUS can pass a Law and the SCOTUS can say NO, UNConstitutional, UNdemocratic and NOT Equal... Congress can take that decision, write BETTER Law, Change the Constitution and basically tell the SCOTUS to pound sand - also NOT EQUAL... Of the three branches CONGRESS has power beyond measure when compared to the other two... IMHO, rant OFF
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Now this would be a real kick in the AZZ for Colo. https://www.commoncause.org/colorado/our-work/voting-elections/national-popular-vote/First, it is NOT Law. But if passed says that Colorado would require all of it's EC Electors to vote for the candidate with the most votes, NATIONWIDE..... Be a real kick in the groin if they were required, by their own law, to vote for someone NOT even on their ballot.....
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A democrat flack posed the issue today, that since there was no conviction of insurrection by Trump, the SCOTUS has to define what an insurrection is for purposes of the 14th Amendment. If that is true, Trump could not have the "intent" to violate the Amendment since, at the time, the meaning was unknown. Applying such a definition after the event took place is ex post facto and cannot be so applied. It would be comparable to passing a law to criminalize an act after that act has taken place . It creates a very sticky wicket for the Dems and Never Trump Republicans.
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This popular vote crap is a Hillary invention and it’s against the Constitution. The elector set up guarantees that urban population centers cannot control the presidency.
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Or 3-4 large states can't control the entire country. That is why the electoral college. Small states have rights too.
Trump was not convicted. There were no armed people at the capital that day, only protestors. To me an insurrection is an armed rebellion against the state, not an unarmed protest. If that were the case almost every protest could be called an insurrection. Trump also tweeted for them to go home. That is never brought up.
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POTUS can also ignore a SCOTUS decision. SCOTUS has no way to force the executive branch to abide by its rulings. Andrew Jackson- - - -"John Marshall has made his decision- - - -now let him enforce it!"- - - - -and my Cherokee ancestors walked the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma.
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What did you find to be the most damning fact that the court identified? Findings of fact from the lower court ruling start on page 25 if you're so inclined. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-c...griswold-order-district-court-denver.pdfPage 40, THE SPEECH AT THE ELLIPSE. In my opinion this section was likely the most "damning fact" that the court identified. Also noteworthy is the section on THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL starting on page 46, and the section on TRUMP’S REACTION TO THE ATTACK starting on page 52. The speech where his final charge to the attendees was to march peacefully and patriotically to have their voices heard?
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The final charge to the attendees wasn't damning, but the lower court did find "In the context of the speech as a whole..." If you're inclined, start on page 25. Someone once said that "facts are stubborn things", adjudicated findings of fact are as stubborn as a mule. 145. In the context of the speech as a whole, as well as the broader context of Trump’s efforts to inflame his supporters through outright lies of voter fraud in the weeks leading up to January 6, 2021 and his long-standing pattern of encouraging political violence among his supporters, the Court finds that the call to “fight” and “fight like hell” was intended as, and was understood by a portion of the crowd as, a call to arms. The Court further finds, based on the testimony and documentary evidence presented, that Trump’s conduct and words were the factual cause of, and a substantial contributing factor to, the January 6, 2021 attack on the United States Capitol. See also 11/03/2023 Tr. 203:20–22; 11/02/2023 278:2–12. 136. Much of Trump’s speech was not in Trump’s prepared remarks. For instance, Trump’s speech called out Vice President Pence by name eleven times. Exs. 22, pp. B1-B23; 49. The teleprompter draft of the speech released by the National Archives contained only one reference to Vice President Pence. Ex. 157, p. 34.
137. Trump used the word “fight” or variations of it 20 times during his Ellipse speech. Exs. 22, pp. B1-B23; 49. The teleprompter draft contained only one mention of the word fight. Ex. 157, p. 29.
138. Trump also repeatedly insisted that the crowd cannot let the certification happen: Trump should have had better attorneys representing him in this case.
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Of course, the riot happened before Trump finished speaking. He did not call for violence in any way.
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Of course, the riot happened before Trump finished speaking. He did not call for violence in any way. Which of course is irrelevant, the Uniparty Agenda cares not about facts, only persecution and propaganda.
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Why does a Predominately White Congress Hate Whites So Much ..
Enough to Send F16’s into the Boro’s
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Why does a Predominately White Congress Hate Whites So Much ..
Enough to Send F16’s into the Boro’s
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You ain’t seen Nothing Yet They hate everyone that isn’t a member of their private club, akin to royalty vs peasants.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Great thread. The one on the same topic that was posted 4 hours before yours wasn't town crier enough. So does Colorado piss you off? That's the real question. Why do I need to be pissed off? You approve of what the communists in Colorado have done? Wait until that schitt hits your neighborhood, you'll change your tune. Why do I need to be pissed off? I guess everybody else who mocks you is calling it right: you're a sorry mo therfucking POS. I hope you catch anal cancer this Christmas. ESA DThat wasn’t very nice.
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When Twitter deleted Trump’s public request for people to go home on J6 only 5 minutes after he posted it, it seemed very strange
Wouldn’t they want peace?
Were they trying to frame him for their narrative?
But what if there was something else at play…
What if they were… Show more
From Newsweek:
"Before the president could use any of the powers provided to him under the insurrection act, he would first have to issue a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse.
According to a congressional research paper from 2006, the President would have to make a statement within a set time frame. If that order is not complied with, then the President has the power to reply troops to resolve the issue Through an executive order."
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Twitter deleted this video of Trump calling for peace & for everyone to go home just minutes after he posted it
They wanted J6 chaos to get worse
Then they suspended Trump on all social media & said he incited an insurrection
He couldn’t defend himself
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Skip buying a Colorado hunting -fishing license too, Definitely a good idea. Besides, there are wolves in CO now too. Boycott Colorado. Wolf costs are about $2M with $500k/ year for management. Crazy. Your hard earned tax dollars and hunting licence sales at work.
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Skip buying a Colorado hunting -fishing license too, Definitely a good idea. Besides, there are wolves in CO now too. Boycott Colorado. Wolf costs are about $2M with $500k/ year for management. Crazy. Your hard earned tax dollars and hunting licence sales at work. 100%. Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho are the places to go.
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