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Made a post that a high post count member deemed as adequately covered previously.

Deleted it.

Frank

It has. Apology accepted

Build a simple model 700 with no. 3 stainless select match barrel in .280 rem or 30-06. NF optic, bedded in the best stock you can afford. Bullets from 150 to 180 with any 4350 or 4831 and your smacking critters.
Action- Remington
Barrel- Shilen
Stock- McMillan
Bottom metal- PTG
Trigger- Trigger tech
Mounts- leupy two piece backcountry
Scope- NF


More powder, 7 rem mag is never a bad choice.

Thanks for your help. I’ll delete the post.

Who cares if it has or not. Start another one!

You might take note the other thread in the forum that discusses your question.

It’s in close proximity to this thread, like the very next one down in the page.

M700.
ADL or BDL to suit you.
Dave Gentry 3 pos safe.
Rifle Basic trigger.
Brux No3. 1-9 7mm
In 280 Ackley Improved.
Top it off with some Barnes TTSXs
McMillian or Banser to suit you.
Schmidt & Bender 3-12x42 with the P3 mil dot.
dave

I’m not going to go back and forth with you on this. If you had read my post you would have seen that it wasn’t specific to elk cartridges, ballistics or Model 700 builds.

Frank, what is it exactly that you are looking to build? Besides a lifetime long range rig? Any cartridges you think you might prefer. How far out, are you looking to shoot? I'm one that would not build on a Rem 700. I hate the cheap azzed flimsy extractor they provide. There are much better designs out there, that you can build from. Some clones are much better, and address the shortcomings of the Rem 700.

BAT HR action......nitrided

Krieger barrel....4 groove 1-8 twist

McMillan stock of your liking

TriggerTech Diamond trigger

Hawkins Precision BDL bottom metal

Schmidt and Bender Scope of your liking

Seekins rings

7MM Mag


Then.......go kill stuff!!

BSA, my question was if you could build out one rifle for a lifetime of deer and elk hunting at distances of 800-1000 yards, what would you build. I specifically asked about actions and barrels. Dave and Coyote 10 gave a pretty comprehensive list and I appreciate that. Thank you. There is no question in my mind that their rigs would be extremely effective. I was really curious if the people doing this type of shooting would lean toward BAT or Borden actions, etc as opposed to trued Remingtons, and Bartlein or Kreiger cut rifled barrels, as opposed to button rifle barrel makers, etc. A follow on question would have been who they would choose to do the gunsmith work. I have nothing against Remington actions, the most accurate rifle I own was built by a gunsmith that builds, competes with and places and wins with rifles he's built. Mine was built on a Model 7 action that I had and is exceptional.

Used to be the conventional wisdom was that for the price of a trued "blueprinted" Model 700 action you could use a custom action like a Bat, Borden, Pierce and come out pretty close on price. Seems like current prices on full custom actions may have opened that difference some. There are also some newer barrel makers who are getting a lot of discussion now that weren't of heard much 10 years ago. I've never had a chassis rifle and they don't appeal to me much, but guys who are going to some real extemes in terms of both distance walked and distance shot are doing impressive things with them.

I posted my question in a very open form much along the lines of "If you could build one for a lifetime, what would it be" along with a few specific questions about things like barrels and actions. I left it open because I was interested in what the posters here were thinking. The member above obviously felt like I was wasting time so I withdrew my question.

I'm fairly knowledgeable about accuracy builds and reloading techniques for lightweight and shorter range hunting and BR shooting but have effectively no practical knowledge related to the discipline of long range precision shooting. I just heard about spin drift at long range within the last week. As an Adirondack hunter and guide, it's not been a factor for me. I have more problems finding a hole through the brush that I can make a clean shot through. I've read about precision long range a lot, and I mean hours and hours, and find it pretty fascinating. But, as you know, there not everyone who posts on an internet topic has the real experience that they try to claim in their posts.

Thanks for asking.

Frank

Add Kauger Arms to your action list.
I prefer cut over button.
You don't need to go to a chassis, you can shoot just as far hunting with a good stock.

What rifles do you have right now for deer and elk? Detailed description, including optics please.
Depending what you have, you may have to upgrade your glass.

Do you have a place where you can practice at further distances?

Frank, if I were building I’d use a Classic or P64 magnum action. Trued up, trigger pins replaced/redrilled so the trigger has no slop, bush the firing pin. I’d also make sure you have a full 3.6” magazine box.

I’d put a good barrel like a Krieger, Brux, Bart, Benchmark, etc put on it. I’d do a 1-8 twist in a 2 contour. Minimal shank, or Featherweight style shank with a 23-25” length.

I’d do a Banser, McM, whatever stock that suits you.

Either Featherweight or Sunny Hill Bottom metal

Coated in Nitride or Black T

Today it’d be a Trijicon 3-18 Ten Mile on top in the mounts of your choice.

I’d do a 7 Rem Mag or if you were adventurous a 7x300 Win or 7 Mashburn Super.

You could also do a 300 Win as well. With all the same components listed but maybe add a nice slim line brake if you don’t enjoy recoil.

Some good info so far. I'd also think seriously about purchasing your own reamer and an extra barrel blank or two.

Don't let these morons run you down, you started a thread based on questions you seek answers for, not answers for some other OP's questions...

If some cnt gives you grief ... GFY should be a reasonable response for her/she

Scrolling on by is a lost art out here

This is great advice. If you do that, get an odd ball or a practical wildcat.
7x300, 6.5x300, gibbs stuff, that'd be real cool.

Many of the guys running chassis rigs use folding a folding chassis since they plan on the gun being strapped to their pack for a long walk in and hopefully a heavy pack out. Functional.

"Don't let these morons run you down, you started a thread based on questions you seek answers for, not answers for some other OP's questions...

If some cnt gives you grief ... GFY should be a reasonable response for her/she

Scrolling on by is a lost art out here"


Great advice, but I think it's that crap that's the reason Dober, Pat Sinclair and others are gone. He certainly didn't get me down, but I don't come here to trade insults or do the GFY thing.

Thanks.

Frank

What’s up with the perpetual whine?

You posted a question that literally is the exact same question on the other thread.

All I did was try to guide you to the other thread where there are plenty of replies already existing answering your question.

Frank .
I did not see your original post.
Missed the part about 800 to 1000.
I was thinking more along the lines of 500 and under..
Something like this.
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/15603745/1
Do you have a weight limit in mind.?
Do you have a budget?


dave

Frank,

With actions like the Bighorn Origin available, there’s no way I’d start with a 700 again. I’ve had great results with Bartlein, Brux, and Kreiger and would let availability pretty much determine which of those three I’d use. I like chassis because of the adjustability at similar weight to many of the synthetics, but that’s personal preference. Downside is aluminum is very cold in the hands on a cold day. Haven’t tried one, but the McMillan Mountaineer stock is very interesting to me, and if I wasn’t so tight fisted, I’d really like to try the MDT HNT26 carbon fiber chassis. Prefer Triggertech triggers to any others I have tried.

https://mdttac.com/hnt26-chassis-system/

John

Guessing our deer hunting is pretty similar, Frank. Look East and you'll see me on that Green Mountain ridge over there. These guys will steer you right. Is this a dedicated long range rifle or do you want something you can use up close in the Adirondacks, too. Do you ever track/jump-shoot or are you a "setter" as my buddies would say? Personally, I'm wanting a Wilson Combat NULA 32 7PRC - 3 down and 3.7" mag. He hasn't built it yet and may never but, if God hears the prayers of earnest hunters there's a chance. One thing I've taken away from these guys is that experienced, good shooters can hit vitals under field conditions with the right rig out to 600yds. Beyond that is a different world. Like you I find this foreign world fascinating and I wish you luck! You've asked the right guys.

I have a friend that built (don’t recall the smith), a leightweight 7PRC that’s his do everything gun. Since we did a latter test with it six months ago it’s accounted for two stag (750 and 375 yards), a couple ibex, a chamois, and some other European sheep.

He lives in Romania most of the time and Idaho the rest. Has his son fly in from Idaho with his rifle and sends it back when he’s done.

He thinks the 7PRC is the answer to your question.

Certainly not a perpetual whine and you’re certainly living up to your reputation here. What an ass. If you read my post as identical to the one below asking about cartridges and calibers in a 700, your reading ability matches your ability to contribute anything meaningful to any thread I’ve seen you post in, Jack Sheit. I hope that there is some small corner of your life where you contribute more to society than you do here. From what I see you’re little more than a continuing irritation, much like a hemorrhoid. I guess what you understand the best, and strive for like an attention seeking unruly child is being a PITA. Great success there you low life scumbag.

There, is that the response you were looking for you douche nozzle. As the gentleman above suggested why don’t you GFY you pathetic little turd. I’ll give you a bit of time to read this to the best of your ability and then delete the you for your input and I apologize for the outburst. Now piss off.

To the gentlemen who contributed above, thank you for your input and I apologize for the outburst. Nearly 15 years on this site and I’ve never had anyone go out of his way to be a little sheit like this guy.

Oh well, glad mot to be him.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Wow, you are a pompous &ss.

Don't do that again. No one has any other "authority" over the question you want to ask.

+1

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

So Ricky is being a dick.... again, still... I am not surprised

To the O.P. your thread is perfect and is exactly what the campfire is about, so ask away without shame... the shame is on Ricky

Yes. Shame on me for letting him know, as he thought, the question has been asked, accepting his apology and pointing him to an existing thread that may help answer his question

Hilarious!


Who told him to delete his OP?

You shamed him into it.... you should not have done that.
He has every right to participate as you do.
Just admit you were wrong , it will gain you credibility

You’ve got to be joking.

I shamed him into it. LMFAO

BTW while you’re here, answer his OP

Sure , this is fun...
I would start with a Bighorn origin action, Brux, Bartlien or Krieger barrel, #3 contour cut to 23"
McMillan game scout stock, Hawkins bottom metal, trigger tech trigger. Hawkins one piece ring/base combo.
Nightforce NXS 2-10x42 scope......
I would probably chamber it in 7mm Rem mag, 1/8 twist, throated for longer bullets, maybe 300 Win mag.
I like common cartridges for brass and ammo availability

Why is a Bighorn action at $1000 better than a Remington 700 action?

You’re recommending a 2-10X scope for a dedicated long range rifle? A rifle that the OP is putting together for the rest of his life?

Floating interchangeable bolt heat, controlled round feed, if you can't hit an elk or a deer with 10x you need to practice more.
I could be wrong about the premise of the thread as he deleted it, but I thought it was long range hunting?
Target or competition would be a different deal...

Recommending a 2-10X scope is immediately disqualifying


Thanks for playing

Lower power scopes have some advantages, such as spotting hits & misses.
I can hit a beer can at 300 yds with a 4x scope, I suspect a deer at twice that range wouldn't be an issue?
But I am not a long range hunter so I am guessing.... I do enjoy long range steel though.... and I have shot several deer at 400+ yards, longest being 525 yds and my 2-7 scope worked fine for those ranges.

Why are you weighing in on a subject in which you have zero experience?

But again, thanks for playing and admitting it

I’m sure the OP is taking note

👍🏼

Being civil and respectful with you is a waste of time....

Again, why are you giving advice to someone on a subject to which you admit to have no expertise?


It’s just a legitimate question

Ummmm.... you asked , I obliged...
I don't usually comment on things I don't have first hand experience with. I have shot steel to 1000yds many times though, so I'm not completely clueless

Get an old 700. Upgrade to m16 style extractor and slap a decent trigger in it After blue print, you'll be in it for 6 or 700. Use the money you saved on brass and bullets.

I seem to recall, Scenar shooter using and endorsing a S&B 10X and I would put his resume up against yours any day and twice on Sunday..
You are a poser....

That was what you should have posted in the first place instead of giving the OP an uneducated opinion

This is why people who have legitimate questions get confused on Internet forums.

Oh sure we all know Scenar shooter was wrong also for using a 10X.... a 2nd focal plane 10X Nightforce is not a guess, it will work and work well

So suddenly it’s my resume compared to scenarshooters. Nice deflection

Post yours since you’re the one giving recommendations on long range hunting and shooting without any experience

I’ll wait.

I have already posted mine... many times , with pic's ... most recently just a few days ago

Which lacks long range hunting and shooting experience to which you readily admit.

You are batchit crazy......

Oh and dumbshit , unlike you that posted a pic of a friends ram, I posted a pic of my ram..... you are a poser

I understand... honesty and integrity really threatens you....

Incredible

LMFAO

You stupid fuqk.

The pic of the ram was proof of a Leupold Mark 5 that tested perfectly

Don’t gaslight dickface

Literally every thread you participate in turns into a pissing match..... the common denominator is YOU....
Too bad you don't have any friends for an intervention... good luck scooter

Actually it’s you.

Doesn't prove a thing, I know many hunters that have killed a lot of game with a bubble pack tasco....

You’re claiming I posted the photo for other reasons

You’re a lying gaslighting dickface

My only pissing matches here involve leftist...

It left me and others with the impression it was yours... so much so someone even asked you if it was yours.... good try, scooter

You’re spraying piss all over in a thread topic you’ve admitted to know nothing about.

Fuqking hilarious!

Maybe when you posted the bighorn pic you should have disclosed it was a buddies ram.... but nooo... you had to be questioned about it.
Integrity matters

I now understand why you have never married... cannot have two hormonal menstruating women in one house..... lol

Here’s the thread. Clearly stated the scope was a friend’s that my gunsmith mounted on his rifle after he bought it from another of my friends

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/19106132/1

You lying piece of shit

Linky no worky

Evening all! Ricky, how the hell are you doing? Where is Burnsy at tonight?

Crazy Eyes

Amazing how Burnsy, Stick & Ricky all think we are envious and jealous..... batshit crazy...

fshaw, apologies for your thread taking a turn sideways.

I hope that you can dismiss the bs here and get the feedback you seek.

And your thread steers back on course.

I’m sure he accepts your apology


😂😂😂

Yep.... Yo Burnsy where you at ole buddy?

Ricky, how is your evening going?

A lot of good advice here, were i too build just one for life, I'd buy 5 barrels, have them chambered, indexed, head spaced and numbered, buy 1000 sticks of brass and all the primers, powder and bullets known to be accurate in the cartridge you choose, bullets would be a mix for paper/steel and hunting, a good stock, bases, rings and glass and you're set.

Probably not well. He's a miserable little f uck.

Always good to have some spares on hand. Not a horrible way to fly!

Getting harder to scroll through all the multiple quote flamers trying to learn something about another's ideas to fill a need. I bought my 7mm mag in 1970 , a 700 Adl, paid a $125 for it with 4 boxes of brass. dies, and 2 boxes of 175 gr bullets. Wore a couple different scopes till 1978 when I put on a Redfield jr one piece base and rings to hold a new Leupold Vari X lll 2.5x 8 still on there 46 years later. Trouble free pretty much till 2014 for some strange reason the original stainless barrel was wore out . Bought a unused Remington 7 mm mag take off barrel for 50 bucks cost a hundred to get it installed. It has a tighter chamber than the original and shoots nice but just in case I have another in the wings ready for duty and 2 other 7 mags to share the shooting volume. Oh yeah still using the original Walker trigger, bolt handle, and extractor. Just in case I have another 700 7 mag newer with a factory 26" barrel but I only use it way out in the grass where no one can see it so no one can tell me how fugging stupid it is to have a barrel that long. The backup to the backup is a Sako L61R that speaks for it self. Extra barrels plenty of brass gunner 50 hit it..mb

I have a T3 Tikka I do that with. So far 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, 22 Creedmoor, more to come. Since Tikkas headspace so well across actions, I just buy used barrels in calibers/cartridges I want and press on.

Dedicated scope in sportsmatch rings means return to zero is spot on every time.