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I'm going to building a rifle for my daughter. to use. She turns 12 this year and feels ready to pull the trigger on a deer this fall. We will be hunting in farm fields where shots can be longer. She shoots quite well and finds .243 recoil reasonable (we borrowed a neighbours rifle for her to try). She finds the recoil of my 6.5x284 bothersome and says that she wouldn't like practicing with it. So it looks like she will be shooting a 6mm rifle of some sort.

I recently bought a trued Remington 700 short action from a friend and I'm looking at getting a Krieger #2 contour 6mm barrel. Ideally I would like the performance of the 6mm Creedmoor and the easy ammo availability of the .243. I handload but someday I will likely give her the rifle and she may or may not be a handloader and we might not live close to each other for me to load for her. So while I would build a 6mm Creedmoor for me, I feel like I should build a .243 for her use and have it throated like a 6mm Creedmoor. Does this make sense or am I overlooking anything?

What's the twist on your barrel?

I meant to mention that. The barrel that I'm looking at is a 1-8" twist.

Is chromoly OK?

I have an idea about what you mean for throat specs, but can you elaborate a bit?

I would just go 6.5 creedmoor. More versatile. You are already loading for 6.5, ammo is more common. Better re-sale

Here we go again....

I've owned both, to my way of thinking the 6mm CM is just an improved 243. I'd go CM and plan on a suppressor, they totally change the shooting experience, especially for new/young hunter (and older hunters like me).

Seex Kreed by a landslide and I'd entertain more RPM. Hint.............

I would vote 6 CM. I built my wife a 6CM with a #2 Bartlein barrel at 22”. It is the cat’s meow. It sits in a McMillan Edge ADL stock with a Leupold 3x9. I have never had an issue loading a load for it using H4350. It likes 95 grain N BTips and Hornady 103 ELDX but shoots most everything well. Around 3000-3100 fps depending on the bullet and load. It weighs about 7.25 lbs if I remember. Recoil is not an issue for her.

With the 243 and heavier bullets you may be limited by mag length if throated for the heavier bullets. This is where the 6.5/6 CM may edge out the 243 as it was designed around a short action and heavy bullets.

6 creed. It's the easy button. Go 1-7 or 1-7.5

I'd suggest a 6xc, but the 6 creed would stomp it. I'd hate to even try and suggest a fast twist 243 win because it normally gets shot down by everyone but Rio7. If you had a bunch of 22-250 brass, a 6-250 would be fun.

Whatever you build, go 1:7.5.

I'd up the RPM if you can and go 6 Creed then - for all the reasons listed here. Factory ammo for both is just as easy to find, actually might be easier for the Creed. Pluss bullets aren't getting shorter (on average) so the extra COAL room afforded by the Creed makes the most sense for "future proof".

Exactly

That's an interesting point.

Chrome-moly would suit fine for our needs.

What I'm thinking of is chambering for .243 with it throated to accomodate bullets like the 108 ELD. What I don't know is how this would fare in a Remington magazine or if I'm missing anything else.

I'd love to thread for a supressor but I'm Canadian and unfortuately my government objects to hearing protection.

Then tighten the twist and go 6mm Creedmoor.

Personally, I'd find a manufacturer who would provide the contour I want in stainless.

That 243 win will need a long action or you'll be defeating the point of its case capacity. And dint jack around with chrome moly, get a stainless.

Don't get much easier. The 6 CM has been an eager to please cartridge.

Go 6 creed. I have multiples in 243 and 6 creedmoor.

The 6 creedmoor will fit your mag box with high BC bullets much more easily. Factory ammo here in the US is easy to find for it as well. As others said I'd think about a 7.5 or 7 twist. Mine are 8" and work fine with every 105-108 grain bullet I've tried but as it was mentioned, bullets keep getting longer

I have heard that the Creeds barrles last longer.. Any truth to that? Also, when I do burn out my .243 WIn. barrel, can I get the barrel reamed into a 6mm Creed??

6 Creed with 1:7.5 twist. Shoot the 105 VLDs if you reload, or the 103 ELD-Xs if you don't.

Very, very easy button. Only this most recent hunting season for data, but it shoots like a house of fire with the 105 VLDs and accounted for two bucks and a bull with zero drama this season.

Dave

Barrel life between them is more dependent on how you shoot them than the difference between the chamberings. Both are usually cooked somewhere between 1500-2500 rounds, depending on how they are shot and loaded for.

If you have enough shank, you could set back the barrel and re-chamber in 6 CM, but you're better off to just get a new barrel and chamber that in 6 CM.

The easy button is 6 CM in a 7" twist barrel. KS Arms will build you the barrel you're looking for.

Both of my Grand Daughters are shooting 6 CM we converted from .243, it would be hard to talk them out of their rifles they have killed everything they have pointed them at with 108 gr. ELD-M

My favorite Cooper .243 A.I. I call Bloody Mary, finally gave up with over 5000 Rnds down the tube I have found my .243s shoot a lot longer if I don't hot rod them with light bullets and max loads, Bloody Mary is at the Gun Smiths Now being barreled to a 7 Twist 6 CM Kreiger I'm looking forward to getting her back. my other 6 CM is a Christen Arms it shoots lights out but is a little long and heavy for a Jeep gun. Rio 7

Creed and a 1-7” barrel.

6CM gives you more room in the mag box. Mine is actually 1:8" but the rifle got stamped otherwise.

Owned a bunch of 243s. The 243 in a custom rifle build is very hard to beat. The 1-8 twist is a do all twist

Just got in an old Rem 700 Ultimate Varmint 26" that I need to finish testing out, before I tear it down and rebarrel it. If and when, it will go back on the trued and squared action as a 243 with a 1-8 twist SS barrel with threads cut .010 over in the truing process. I have all kinds of cats, just want to make this a 243 with a factory chamber.

The 243 with a good action and barrel gives up nothing to a CM and the 243 is a lot more available as a factory cartridge around these parts. I would not make a gift, that even might be a problem.

How will she be using the gun you are building as she goes forward.....say as she becomes an adult and gets into game at long range. That is where the CM shines over the 243. I was also thinking of a 6.5 CM barrel replacement for my Model 70 in 243, but my shots are 300 yards Max and the 243 gets that done for me. Low recoil like the creed, I reload my so no problem with ammo, and very accurate with what I load for. If I was shooting further and larger game I would want the creed, but that 243 has a lot going for it and I think you need to answer these questions for her future use.

He's got a shorty action.
With a 1:8 or 7.5 twist, he won't be able to get those bullets in the mag and will have a custom single shot. Least I couldn't with the 105s and 8s. If he had the long action, I'd run a 243 win and an 8 would work nice. I like the 105 berger on too of imr4350. Sucker is like a big little gun.

I mean, he'd get them in there, but will be jumping quite a bit and lose boiler room capability.

Never heard of an Ultimate Varmint 700.

What are the particulars?

Cartridge over-all length is determined by one of two factors: the length of the magazine, or the length of the throat. So, if you are handloading and have a custom chamber, with the same mag length, COAL for both cartridges is the same.
I would go with the 6CM just because I think it is a little better cartridge design. The sloping shoulder and short neck of the 243 are not a great combination. GD

If you want to get technical, a 243 win with a 30 degree shoulder and a 1.75 twist barrel would be pretty dang sweet. It's a custom build, and anytime I build something it's because A. Remington ain't chambering it, or B. Because I want a custom cartridge or wildcat with a custom chamber/throat.
Since the OP has a short action 700, it'd be hard to beat a 6 creed.

6xc or 6-250 to be different. Had to say it. Sorry lol

Fascinatingly HILARIOUS,that Day Dreaming Droolers always turn these things into a Bad Idea Tournament and GoogleFu straws to grasp. Hint.

COAL length is factored by projectile selection. COAL is NOT static and moves around more than a whole fhuqking bunch,due same,with IDENTICAL mag confines and throat geometry. Due the distinct differences in case length,between the 243 Win and Seex Kreed,COAL is going to be exceedingly different at IDENTICAL throat lengths,with IDENTICAL projectiles. The Kreed is a vastly superior mechanical design,of like powder capacity. Win/win/win. Hint.




While I've a goodly herd of exceptional 243 Win's/243 AI's,I couldn't begin to factor a reason to suffer same Today,with the Seex Kreed in the picture. A "long action" isn't going to "MAGICALLY" transform a 243 Win,into something it is not,with "MAGIC" throat geometry. Going 6-06 changes the game and I've a few. Hint.

Google Gals say STUPID fhuqking schit like this. Hint.



She's going to go L/A,then reduce RPM,which funnier than fhuqk?!? IMR4350 being a Goat Fhuqk to boot and the only fhuqking thing she "shoots",is her mouth. Then she Drools shoulder angles. Nor could she pick the XC out of the crowd. Pardon the reality of wares that exist and actually shooting same. Hint.



I've multiple 700 based Customs in Seex Kreed and reserve RPM is your friend. Betwixt CUSTOM and OEM spouts,I drive it in 7,7.25,7.5 and 8" RPM. Throats lengths vary and it is VERY easy to connect all dots in a 700,ala AICS binderless DBM at 2.975" COAL latitude. Up to and including 112's and their .620 BC. Hint.

James' spouts are fhuqking exceptional. Hint.







Now coming full circle,was shooting with The 'Horn yesterday and he had a brace of Seek Kreed's in tow,a Sig Cross rebarreled and OEM Accuracy International AT-X. I drug my rebarreled Accuracy International AT-X K&P 7" RPM 21" Dasher and did exceptionally well to the 1350yd line,which is as far as we happened to shoot. 112's at 2820fps,is a nice place to be,with it's minute ES/SD doing LR vertical favors. Trip cost me a Garmin chronograph and I've grown to hate chronographs. 60 MOA inclination left me about (3) Mil's off mechanical bottom of erector and it's a nice place to be. Hint.(grin)



Pardon the luxuries,of being afforded not having to fhuqking guess. Hint.

Just sayin'................

Nice remage barrel. Looks like a dick on a fish. Did you hack saw that one off too and give it your custom crown job?
As far as imr 4350 and 105s, 41.5 grains of that noise has taken more coyotes for me than you've taken pisses in life. Seat that bich out and fill it up.

Remage barrel......lmao

And if you need to swap a trigger, a hatchet makes a great tool for that....

Sweetheart,

The ONLY things you can talk about in the first hand,are your Homo Erotic Fantasies...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I tend to chop/shoot on the fly and KNOW what's going on. Hint.






Your Day Dreaming Delusions are funnier than fhuqk! Keep "living" vicariously,as it's your ONLY move and don't "forget" that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.

Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud via GoogleFu. Hint.





Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

What rifle is that, stick? Kinda like the looks

Accuracy International AT-X,wearing 21" 1-7" K&P Dasher spout. Hint.

My Accuracy International AT 264 Kreed is friendlier to the touch,when things cool off. Hint.



Waypoint Seex Kreeds are Skookum,make mine steel. Hint.




Just sayin'.............

he don't know, he was licking windows when he saw the pics. he posted at the pawn shop in parasite Alaska

Can't deny I like that waypoint.
Buddy bought one in 6.5 prc and it hammers home with 147 eldms.
Wish they made one in a 7 mag.....
Also wish they didn't have a plastic mag, but seem to hold up ok.

The Professional Victim Hurt Feeler Reports,are fhuqking HILARIOUS...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Gen 1 Seekins in Seex Kreed,is rather fhuqking Skookum. Hint.







Keep waxing eloquent with your very WELL founded Insecurities ladies and I'll simply fuel 'em with wares that exist. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Nice seekins. Stock felt a little chincy to me for 2 grand. Keep em coming. Like seeing you try so hard with the pics and props.

Your Imagination is Pretending aloud,about wares you've never even "seen",let alone "shot"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

While in "fairness",I barely have 70+ McMillan stocks and now you "know" that Gen 1's wore them. Hint.




Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute",albeit only with Delusional Dumbfhuqktitude. I've never seen an Athlon,do "tell". Hint.




Keep waxing eloquent with your very WELL founded Insecurities ladies and I'll simply fuel 'em with wares that exist. You Lying CLUELESS Pieces Of Fhuqking Schit are a RIOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Hardly a micky dude.

Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Your STUPIDITY is simply Magnificent,in it's grandeur. Hint.



Keep waxing eloquent with your very WELL founded Insecurities ladies and I'll simply fuel 'em with wares that exist. You Lying CLUELESS Pieces Of Fhuqking Schit are a RIOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Sure didn't feel like a mick to me. Pretty sure it's an in house deal to save some money on the rifle. I think they dropped the mcmillian on the ph2.

Anyways, the havoc 2 is a good one. Just liked the waypoint better. And as I said early before schlick piped up, if the waypoint was offered in 7 rem, I'd more than likely own it.

Not even you,could cite a DUMBER Fhuqk than you...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

'Nother one wrapped up today. Hint.



Keep waxing eloquent with your very WELL founded Insecurities ladies and I'll simply fuel 'em with wares that exist. You Lying CLUELESS Pieces Of Fhuqking Schit are a RIOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

and now you know

Stick shoots cartridges that are for 12 year old girls

You are sucking the wrong ass. Hint................

Why not run a suppressor on your daughters rifle? 6.5x284 is no problemo with a can on it.

No supressors allowed. I'm Canadian and my government disapproves of ear protection. On the other hand, a brake on the rifle would work if she had electronic muffs to use.

Bought a ridgeline in 6.5x284. Sucker hammers, but will blow your ear drums without hearing protection.

Everybody should shoot 1 shot through a rifle with a loudener just to get schooled in why they are a bad idea.

Is a 6Cm just a 243Win with less powder? What's the deal.

Pretty much.

6.5 Creedmoor necked down. Better case design for long heavies.

Unsure on case capacity but they're pretty close.

Yea, hang on, let me put on my hearing protection. Not what I want in a hunting rifle. I don't even know why they put the dang things on in the first place. Light gun, whatever, learn to shoot it or get something you can handle.
That 6mm creed is the deal. Short action, will be an awesome setup.

Easy to handload. Easy to find factory ammo and components. Shoots great.

Get the 1:7.5 barrel and enjoy.

I like my old 6mm Remington, but in today's world of longer bullets and fast twist barrels, the 6 Creed is just a better solution to the light-kicking deer rifle question.

Regards, Guy

I built a nice 243 win Bartlien 8 or 7.7 twist can’t remember Model 700 a few years back. It’s a terrific rifle and a great cartridge. I have absolutely no regrets.

In my experience the major difference between the two rounds is barrel life. The .243's short neck and shoulder angle tend to burn out throats quicker. Otherwise the same powder charges result in the same velocities--and often group size. Had a 1-7" twist .243 Barret Fieldcraft for a while, and it grouped as well as the any 6mm Creedmoor I've shot.

Have NOT found 6mmCM ammo and brass as easily or affordably available as .243s....

I've definitely had 243s that were accurate, but I think along with barrel life, the biggest advantage of the 6mm creedmoor is the ease of getting rounds loaded with high BC target bullets to fit in the mag box.

The OP mentioned wanting to use the 108 eld specifically. In a 2.8" mag box, the 6mm creedmoor will certainly give more wiggle room.

The OP mentioned wanting to use the 108 eld specifically. In a 2.8" mag box, the 6mm creedmoor will certainly give more wiggle room.[/quote]

Right. Nobody loves a .243 win and 105s more than I, but in this case, he's specified a bullet, and already has a shorty action. I'd go 6 creed or 6 xc. Creed being more logical. Dasher would be kinda fun as would a BR, but that 6 creed will out step them all.
Be nice if it were an old model 70 pusher in LA and toss a no. 2 shilen at 24 inches on it with an edge and go .243 win 8 twist though. Did that twice. On in 243 ack and one in 6 ack, oh and one in 6x284. 243 was my favorite by far.

I bought my daughter-in-law a 243 Model 7 with walnut stock. Pretty sure she won’t be shooting out the barrel. There is no reason in the world why she would need a faster twist than factory BTW.
The 6mm C is a better designed cartridge. But the 243 brass and ammo is so plentiful.
The choice it seems to me boils down to ease of components vs the need for a little more speed. The 6mm C will likely burn out the throat slower, but is that a consideration?

Throat erosion and barrel life should never keep anyone from building what ever. They make barrels every day. Your already shelling it out, grab another barrel if you like the chambering.

Do tell about a L/A 243 Win with 105's. What was freebore? COAL? Be VERY careful there,because I shoot it all and you are a CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,if only obviously. Hint.

Only have a coupla' 6-284's and just "happen" to shoot 6 Rem AI too. Hint.



Bullets matter wayyyyyyyyy more than headstamps ladies,but your Drooling Dumbfhuqktitude is funnier than fhuqk. Seex Kreed/243 Win case capacity is like/like,as is performance. Until you shoot good bullets and the 243 Win quickly runs outta room. In a Model Seven,the 243 Win can't even begin to keep pace with a 6 Dasher. Hint.




I enjoy you Dumbfhuqks Pretending aloud,with your GoogleFu and the Day Dreaming Delusions associated,as you brazenly take STUPIDITY to places it's never been before. Again,she couldn't pick the XC out of the crowd. Hint.



Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

.243 all the way just like you were thinking. I am old enough to remember lots of whiz bang cartridges that got lots of publicity as the latest and greatest, but where are they now; gone. Your daughter, or anyone isn’t going to see a pinch of difference on game or at the range between a .243 and a 6mm Creedmoor. Read any shooting publication and the writers are being paid to hype the new stuff to placate the advertisers.

It's funnier than fhuqk,that Droolers think being an AMAZINGLY Slooowwwwww Learner,is somehow a hidden "advantage". Hint.

Rest assured,that not everyone suffers the plights of your "means","abilities" and "comprehension". While you were reading and Drooling,I was simply shooting and them differences are simply beyond "stark". Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will always be BEST served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". HINT.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

What's the line for "sticking around" vs "going away"? Creedmoors been around for 17 years now. When are they considered to be "good to go"? No snark, just wondering when we'd agree on Creedmoor as sticking?

Stick, per 243/243ack. Card in my die box said 3.225 and I was jumping them .010.
No free bore here, jam it, back it, load it plum damn full of 4350 and shoot. 42 grains in the ack and 39.5 in the standard case. Never chrony'd it, but it smashes schit. Gun wore a 26 inch 8 twisted shilen. Also using a federal GM mag primer.

Why do you even fhuqking TRY,you Amazingly CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. HINT.



1000 words ala 243 Win and 105(Hornie HPBT). "No freebore" would put the start of ogive in case mouth. A .010" jump would put the ogive below case mouth. Hint.



Your Amazing STUPIDITY,is fhuqking HILARIOUS! Even watered down Hogdgon cites 40.2grs of Dog Schit IMR4350 at 2.760" COAL with a 105,in 243 Win,for a "whopping" 2870fps. Kudos on your "Secret Squirrel" 2700fps Long Action 3.225" COAL Day Dream(s). HINT.



Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even Dumb Fhuqks like YOU can "afford" to "contribute",if only by Pretending aloud about Fantasy Wares. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

They're so close in powder capacity that the two 6mm Creedmoors I've owned got just about exactly the same velocities with the same powder charges and bullets in several .243s.

The measurement of 3.225" is what my modified tool to measure from near, not at the ogive, not the tip of the bullet. I never measure from the tip of the bullet, ogive or there abouts. My mistake. I was on a cell phone at work you tool shed. Actual measurement to the tip of the bullet is 2.800" plus or minus a few thou. Glad you took the time to take some more pics, and write your little note. You ain't getting much more than 40 grains of 4350 in that case either. With the 26 inch tube I was surely topping 2950 which is adequate in my book.

You CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,Rem 700 S/A and Model Seven COAL is 2.815" and your "Long Action Fascinations" wane. HINT.

You are THE "modified" TOOL...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Keep Pretendiong aloud,because you are doing "GREAT!". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

I hate to admit it, but stick might have a point.
And 'modified tool' was a good comeback. 243 or 6 creed, can't go wrong with either one. Both cartridges are short, fat, and easy to load up. Just how stick likes em!

I've built all three of my sixes on long actions. I know they work slick and I know I got room if I need it. Got a factory cdl in 243 and the 105 is pretty tight, will work, but tight. Gun has the factory 9.25 twist or whatever and I mainly shoot 75 maxes out of it. You could save a ton of cash by just running a factory job and a better bullet, cause like someone I know who always says, bullets matter way more than headstamps lmao

I’ve successfully seated and twisted 105’s out of a factory 700 SA VLS. It’s not rocket science

I cannot see ANY reason to choose a .243 over a 6mm Creedmoor nowadays. Factory ammo is available for the 6 Creed. Now that the .22 Creed is a factory cartridge, I would give that some consideration too.

John

I know it can be done. Didn't say it couldn't. Seemed like I had to jump that bullet almost .060 to get it to the lands to fit the mag box. Seems like a ways, but in reality it's like as thick as a penny.
I mean, wouldn't you wanna seat the bullet at the base of the case neck junction? With a 105, it'll be around 2.900 and if you go with a 7.5 twist to take advantage of the 115s, it'd put you up around 3.000 ish. But in doing so, to take advantage of that case, you'd need more freebore or throated for whatever.

HoneyKchunt,

Your STUPIDITY is again taking you places,that can't exist. Hint.

Bless your heart for TRYING.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Some have said that the 6mm C ammo is available. I’ve not seen a box for sale on any dealer’s selves. I suppose it’s available on line. But 243 ammo is available everywhere it seems to me, and I’d bet if both were available somewhere the 243 ammo would be less expensive.

The 243 isn’t my favorite 6mm cartridge, but it sure seems to be the general hunting public’s favorite.

For me, depending on who the person who will be using the rifle and what there needs are is an important consideration.

That is: A serious shooter that reloads, takes long range shooting seriously vs an occasional hunter that buys ammo at the nearest gun store for an annual deer hunt.

If the rifle was for me vs my daughter-in-law for example. Though I’m not planning on shooting game at long distances with any 6mm. The choice might be different for me than my DIL.

This cartridge is better than that cartridge due to whatever is less important, in my opinion. The two are ballistic twins at any rate.

Availability is local really - that is what's avail in MT is different than WV. During the "shortages" the ONLY ammo on the shelf in my area was Creedmoor based. The common 06, 308, 270, 243 etc was off the shelf for over a year easily. Not an issue as I reload but I also buy boxes here and there to stash at camp and the like as back ups. So I pay attention a bit.

If you are building rather than buying, get the barrel, then get the brass for whichever cartridge you choose, then have the gun built.

Brass is getting to be more available. So is ammo. So are primers. The situation for the moment is improving. I would still stock up, not hoard, but get enough for the life of the barrel.

Of the two, I prefer the .243. There are pluses to the 6 CM but they're not useful to me. If I need the extra bullet weight and extra BC the faster twist offers, I'm picking a larger bore diameter. For me the 6mms are primarily varmint cartridges that can be squeezed into lighter medium game duty or, as a stunt, some fairly large animals. For dedicated medium game cartridges there are better options than any 6mm.

Nobody who has actually shot a Seex Kreedmire,"prefers" the 243 Win. HINT.

I enjoy that you Dumb Fhuqkers think that your STUPIDITY is somehow "choice" or an "advantage",because that schit,is funnier than fhuqk! Hint.

Now as Factory Fodder goes,the Seex Kreed absolutely fhuqking destroys the 243 Win in all areas. Because bullets matter wayyyyyy more than headstamps,it also destroys many larger bore chamberings. "Weight" in and of itself is moot,as is "bore size". Projectile integrity and flight characteistics,are where the rubber meats the road. Pun be intended. Hint.

There's NEVER been a Retard Twist Rate Seex Kreed built and 243 Win's suffer mightily,in same regard. There is NO "good" 243 Win Factory Fodder,yet Skookum Seex Kreed abounds and is easily available. Hint.

You CLUELESS Professional Victims are a HOOT! Hint................

Given what you said about varmints - why not stay down in size (6mm) AND get the BC with the 6 Creed? BC isn't for bigger critters, it's for bullets to perform better at range. Short to medium to maintain velocity and energy, long to ELR to reduce drift and maintain velocity and energy. There's no downside - especially as you'd like to keep .243 diameter bullets to varmints.

(IME - 105 243 or 162 7-08 - they both kill deer/medium game the same, going up in "class" doesn't garner different results, not even in tracking distance which is measured in feet, not yards with either)

Forget about factory ammo. Custom gun deserves a handload or two. Buy 100 lapuas. It'll get you 1000 shots for sure. Any 6 will be cool. 6x250 improved, 6x47 improved, 6xc, anyone will be a blast. But then again, that 6 need more will do it all and then some. I'm just out on a 243 in a shorty on a custom rifle. Are the limitations few? Yea, but there are some, especially with the long heavy bullets. My buddy built a 22-243 and he told me he can't get the 90s to feed without jumping them a long ways, so he screwed it on a long action 700 and he loves it. I just think that for optimum potential of said rifle with the said components and the said intentions, it would be hard for me not to build a 6 creed. Basically that 6x250 improved to 30. Best of all worlds with that cartridge.

funny that the window licker from panty waste AK is is being ignored

Liar Larry one note the virtual shooter.

Big numbers look great from the couch. Hint

He'll be along shortly. No pun intended.

As much as I hate to agree with Stick the 6CM would be my choice and will be when I rebarrel my present 243. I use it presently as a coyote only rifle and 55-87 grain bullets. I will probably use the new barrel for exactly the same thing. Why change? Why not?

In typical fashion,

The topic was a deer rifle for a young lady,

Let me know when she ‘shoots out the barrel’…..In any one’s lifetime.

A young 12 year old female who doesn't like the recoil of a larger 6mm will be best served with 90 to 95 grain projectiles and she will be shooting less than 200 yards. If the rifle she likes is available in .243, get it. If it's available in 6 Creedmoor get it. If a custom build...toss a coin in the air.

Your Imaginary "friend" is as fhuqking STUPID,as you actually are...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

For posterity. Hint.



Your "understanding" of RPM,Throat Geometry and COAL is fhuqking HILARIOUS! As an aside,22-243 case capacity is duped by 224 Speedmire and I just "happen" to have several set up expressly for 90gr Beer Cans. The astute will savvy the Seex Kreed/243Win mechanical correlation,though you CLUELESS Droolers will simply keep Licking Windows,as it's your only "move". Hint.



Bless your hearts for Whining,Crying,Lying and Trying.

You gals should consider joining "forces". HINT.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

We get it stick. You like short actions and a creedmore case. And spike bucks, and yellow tape, and pink rifles. You do you man. I hate to burst your speedmire bubble, but it lacks about 250 to 300 feet per second with said Beer Can 90s behind a 22-243. I doubt it ever catches up with your down range logistics.

The only things you "get" are Imagination and Pretend,because they are free...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Like/like case capacity offers like/like velocity,though I do "happen" to shoot CHeetah(MK1) as well,as you Pretend aloud with your GoogleFu. You are an Amazingly STUPID Fhuqk. Hint.

You had BETTER join "forces",so as to become a "we" with The Google Gals,you CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. Pardon wares that exist. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Then you know your cheetah will get 3500 plus with a 90. That creed ain't touching that. I've pounded more fur with these cartridges than you ever have or ever will that's a fact. But you keep running that suck and calling people liars. That's real cool!