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I was never in the middle of the class. They always set me back there in the very back, next to the radiator pipes covered in old rotten asbestos insulation.

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Originally Posted by slumlord
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Dollar store glue? Regular or gel?


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We run between 40 and 50 thousand for the household.

It feels pretty middle classy for this area.


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It all depends upon the price of Armour potted meat in your area.

It’s pretty good metric

If stores do not carry it, then you Hi Society, you in a Rand Paul neighborhood

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Originally Posted by Teal
Would be interesting to see just how much/what stuff a "middle-class American" had in say 1965. Cars, where the price fell in the average cost of cars of the time, number of TV's, number of phones, cottages etc.

Seems like what we feel like we "must have" to be comfortable these days is quite a bit more than feeling like "we've got a good life" back then. Hell there's a thread here where a guy has 5 TV's and is complaining.

I mean - just how much stuff do you need to be happy? Today vs back then?

Feels like we're less happy today - regardless of what our money is buying.

Growing up middle class was a house with a Chevy or Ford station wagon in the driveway.

Upper middle class (as in regular MDs, and other professionals) was a Buick or Olds in the driveway.

Only the rich had Cadillac and Lincoln cars...........and posers owned Mercedes and such.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by Teal
Would be interesting to see just how much/what stuff a "middle-class American" had in say 1965. Cars, where the price fell in the average cost of cars of the time, number of TV's, number of phones, cottages etc.

Seems like what we feel like we "must have" to be comfortable these days is quite a bit more than feeling like "we've got a good life" back then. Hell there's a thread here where a guy has 5 TV's and is complaining.

I mean - just how much stuff do you need to be happy? Today vs back then?

Feels like we're less happy today - regardless of what our money is buying.

Growing up middle class was a house with a Chevy or Ford station wagon in the driveway.

Upper middle class (as in regular MDs, and other professionals) was a Buick or Olds in the driveway.

Only the rich had Cadillac and Lincoln cars...........and posers owned Mercedes and such.

We was an AMC Matador wagon fambly

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If the roof over your head keeps you warm and dry, you have safe potable water, enough food in the cupboard and you feel safe when you go to bed….
You’re doing better than 75% of the world minimum.

There is no such thing as poverty in the United States other than the willingly destitute ie. addicts, homeless etc. and even then they normally have access to food and shelter.



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Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by Teal
Would be interesting to see just how much/what stuff a "middle-class American" had in say 1965. Cars, where the price fell in the average cost of cars of the time, number of TV's, number of phones, cottages etc.

Seems like what we feel like we "must have" to be comfortable these days is quite a bit more than feeling like "we've got a good life" back then. Hell there's a thread here where a guy has 5 TV's and is complaining.

I mean - just how much stuff do you need to be happy? Today vs back then?

Feels like we're less happy today - regardless of what our money is buying.

Growing up middle class was a house with a Chevy or Ford station wagon in the driveway.

Upper middle class (as in regular MDs, and other professionals) was a Buick or Olds in the driveway.

Only the rich had Cadillac and Lincoln cars...........and posers owned Mercedes and such.

We was an AMC Matador wagon fambly

Ain't nothin but a fancy name for a Rambler............................


y'all was puttin' on airs an sech.


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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Originally Posted by jackmountain
There is no such thing as poverty in the United States other than the willingly destitute ie. addicts, homeless etc. and even then they normally have access to food and shelter.

Only in America do our poor have an obesity problem.


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We were right on the median income for my area last year. This year is looking better. The numbers quoted are a good bit higher than our area's median. Middle class..? I guess not, but we are happy.

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Median fam income here is 55k, house is 234k. Which I would gather is up quite a bit since I moved here 9 years ago. 2 bed homes are up 68% YOY and 3bed are up 26% YOY.


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Originally Posted by Burleyboy
Is that per person in the family or household? It seems like poverty level for a family of 5 with today's prices.

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That might be true, in part because the "average " American family is smaller than it was for us boomers., so they are likely calculating middle class with today's family size in mind

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183657/average-size-of-a-family-in-the-us/


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In it is death and all you seek
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Here in dog town the median family income is $49k, 30% poverty rate, median property value is $104k.
(2021 data)


My little worker bee wife makes about $60k and given the recent bump in the cattle market I will make about twice what she does.

So needless to say we do okay here on the rez living in a little house and driving old vehicles.

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Originally Posted by Valsdad
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by Teal
Would be interesting to see just how much/what stuff a "middle-class American" had in say 1965. Cars, where the price fell in the average cost of cars of the time, number of TV's, number of phones, cottages etc.

Seems like what we feel like we "must have" to be comfortable these days is quite a bit more than feeling like "we've got a good life" back then. Hell there's a thread here where a guy has 5 TV's and is complaining.

I mean - just how much stuff do you need to be happy? Today vs back then?

Feels like we're less happy today - regardless of what our money is buying.

Growing up middle class was a house with a Chevy or Ford station wagon in the driveway.

Upper middle class (as in regular MDs, and other professionals) was a Buick or Olds in the driveway.

Only the rich had Cadillac and Lincoln cars...........and posers owned Mercedes and such.

We was an AMC Matador wagon fambly

Ain't nothin but a fancy name for a Rambler............................


y'all was puttin' on airs an sech.

My Grand Father had a green Rambler station wagon !


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We dont get anything from filling out those FASFA forms


Say we make too mutch

but they still require we/college kids fill that chit out

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According to those numbers, we should be middle class. But maybe I'm living in the past, because I just can't enjoy myself like we used to do. We used to go out for dinner every couple weeks, have a pretty nice steak or slice of prime rib, 2 or 3 drinks, just relax and enjoy the evening, not worry about the money.
I priced the menu at the entrance on the nearest dinner house the other day, 36 for 14 oz ribeye, 14 for the salad, rumor has it simple mixed drink is 12 minimum...so for 2 of us we are looking at 150 bucks just for dinner and 4 drinks...then more for dessert and tips. I'm pretty sure I'm not middle class anymore.


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Im just somewhere in the middle..



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Spend that ‘going out to eat money’ on a 1/2 dozen 7lb ribeye roasts from Publix for $5.99 lb during Christmas sales.

carve them up at home, cut yourself some 2” thick ones and vacuum seal them.

Drink your booze at home too

Learn to be frugal, be disciplined and eat like a king at home

Hell with going to some joint and dropping $100.00 for some fuggin ambiance and snoddy cûnt waitress

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