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See, you can’t even have your narrative questioned in the slightest way, without quickly accusing someone of anti-Semitism. I’ll bet you got pissed when people who said “All lives matter” got accused of being racist for not saying “Black lives matter.” I don’t approve of the lethal elimination of any human being. Jews are no better or worse than any other and don’t deserve special victimhood status.

Biggest victory for the jews wasn't Israel, but gettin white people to virtue signal bout the holocaust.

I guess my question was somewhat accusatory in the context of this whole discussion so I will apologize for that. But I do wonder about some of our members here that seem to have an abiding distaste for the Jewish people with some even siding with and justifying the recent attack by the Arabs that was well coordinated, murderous, and launched from the Gaza Ghetto using money and material donated by foreign benefactors for humanitarian relief.

Do you winder about the distaste that people have for the race hustlers who make everything about “racism”?

Amazing how real facts are always in conflict with the received narrative on this subject, isn't it?

See, here where speculation and supposition gets you in trouble. The primary cause of the high rate of capture was the near perfect population records of the Dutch civil service, and the failure of the various Dutch county authorities to destroy those records before they could fall in German hands. The Netherlands was overrun in a matter of days, and the Germans had learned from their earlier forays into Poland and other countries to control the civil service immediately.

Unlike Denmark, where 90% of the Jews survived mostly by fleeing in a flotilla of little gentile fishing boats across the Baltic to Sweden, The Netherlands was immediately occupied and governed by Germany, and no escape for the Jews across the North Sea was practical. The loss of the vast majority of Jews, including of course, Anne Frank, remains a black mark on the nation.

Even French Jews had a path to escape through the mountains to Switzerland or Spain. The % of jews lost in the war was generally correlated to the ability to leave and the level of organization and documentation of the individual country.

Like I said, the Dutch surrendered early and easily and their civil authorities were all too willing to cooperate with their German cousins.

Yeah, you said that. It doesn’t bother me at all when you are wrong.

Again, compare with the Danes. The Danes didn’t even fight, and negotiated for self rule. Both countries had moderate resistance levels that led to retribution actions in ‘43, including the start of round ups of the Jews. In Denmark, there were far fewer Jews than in The Netherlands, and far less concentrated.

Was there collaboration? Hell, yes, both in Denmark and in The Netherlands. The main difference was than in Denmark, the Jews were few enough that escape was possible, mostly in one night in ‘43, across the Baltic. In the Netherlands, Jewish survival depended on cooperation and protection from gentiles, at risk of death, for over two years. With all necessities of life rationed, food, fuel, clothing, travel, everything. In the harsh winter of ‘44/‘45, the population in occupied Holland was starving, literally, due to low food rations. Starving, as in eating tulip bulbs and rats. The Germans cut off all food shipments to the major Northern cities, and the allies literally made bombing runs with bread. An estimated 20,000 civilians starved to death. Hiding and keeping Jews fed under those circumstances was practically impossible.

Gilad Atzom, an ex-Jew who has written a lot on Judaism, has a simple formula: "Antisemitism used to mean you hate Jews. Now it means Jews hate you."

I have mixed emotions on the racism issue and race hustlers. I despise the hue and cry of racism when the likes of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, or George Floyd end up dead because of their crimes. And the race hustlers such as Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, and Ben Crump, et al are beneath contempt. But I was a child raised on a farm in the south in the late 50s and early 60s and I saw what was basically slavery and extreme racial discrimination. My parents weren't racist but we lived amongst an extended family and neighbors that were racist to the extreme. My father was a retired U.S Naval officer and almost 50 when I was born. We lived among my mother's relatives. In 1963 we moved to Utah for 5 years so we missed a lot of the turmoil.

Anyway, from what I witnessed as a child if I were black of that age I don't know if I would be forgiving. That said, we've made good progress in that our majority white parish (county) elected a good black lawman as sheriff for 5 terms and he served admirably and blacks enroll in our local university and work in just about all of the trades and professions here locally.

So, no I don't like race hustlers but I do understand why my best neighbor who is black and 68 years old hasn't quite let go of how his family was treated back then. I wouldn't completely let it go if it were me.

I think pre 1960s race problems in the USA being remembered correlate somewhat with the Jews and others not forgetting where anti Semitism ended up in the memory of some still living.

This. Although I thought it was Joe Sobran who came up with it.

He he he, you are off by over a decade. No one that I know would have believed what came over on the radio via bs national news anyway. (no fricken links available.) 😀

How 'bout pics ?
Got any pics ?

Where did you get that?

https://www.icrc.org/en/document/icrc-wwii-holocaust

If the Jews in Europe were not rounded up and murdered what happened to them? Why were they rounded up and shipped to detention? For a country at war that would have been a huge drag on the war effort to have to locate and send millions of productive age citizens to summer camp and take them away from work and service.

Only ordinary citizens were sent to forced labor in Germany. Jews were thought of so highly, they didn’t have to work in the war effort at all! Just leisure camps!

You think the Germans were the ones doing the rounding up of the Jews? Ha, most countries couldn’t wait to do it for them.

I think there is quite a bit of truth in what you say. I understand that once Romania came under German "protection" the Romanians gleefully killed their Jews.

What was the impetus to eliminate the Jews in continental Europe?

And I thought the discussion was about nukes.