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Terrible. All that open water and it hits the pillar. The radio traffic from the vessel is going to interesting to hear once it’s released.
Thoughts and prayers to those that didn’t make. Just terrible.
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Before anybody reads too much into this, especially without all the facts, ... You're kidding, right? They probably downed that bridge just to melt down the Fire.
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We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! What, exactly, from a maintenance perspective could have been done to keep this bridge standing after a strike from a 95,128 ton ship?
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Will this close the port for long period? It might, this is a really big deal. I don't know about Annapolis or whatever Navy presence in the area might be effected. Locking the Navy into their port could really upset the defense of the east coast, too. This is a big deal. Hahahaha Hahahaha We’re way passed the Defense of the Nation Just ask Ted Curse, Little Marco Hahahaha Hahahaha
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The ship became more violent after it went dark.
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31k vehicles a DAY went over that bridge. Can't run hazmat into tunnels. Gonna be wild re-routing that traffic. Re: hazmat....barges, ferries, no?
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Drunk ship captain more like it. That ship was under the control of a US pilot.
Bridges are a huge piece of our high value national infrastructure. Port cities can be crippled if they are taken out. I sure hope drunk, and not intentional. I know almost nothing about shipping or the channels there. But looking at the video, and a map, there is a good chance Baltimore harbor isn’t gonna be moving any freight for awhile. My first concern was terrorists. There are isolated railroad tunnels within a short distance of our family farm. Pap used to tell of troops guarding those tunnels during WWII. The Horseshoe Curve was also guarded. It would be quite easy to seriously hurt us, with high reward, low risk attacks to key infrastructure. American pilot? WTF does that mean? Does he have roots here before it was the USA? 100 years? 50? Or is he a Farsi speaker working a visa? Just got a notification the ship lost power. The concern for what could happen remains Most large merchant ships like that are foreign. A Pilot is someone who typically has an unlimited tonnage license and has a extensive experience in and knowledge of their port. They'll be a US citizen. Pilotage for a foreign vessel of that size is compulsory when operating in port. At some point before entering the port or getting underway from the port, the pilot takes control. It does look like a power irregularity played a role in this. I can't believe that bridge had an inadequate fendering system.
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Replacing that bridge will be a long process.
40 years ago, a ship ran into the Sunshine skyway bridge in Tampa, in a storm, causing a collapse.
Took years to replace the bridge.
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Paul,
I’m sure you meant, "One would think they would have had adequate…”
Because I’m sure you believe it,
and probably aren’t too surprised they didn’t.
Here in America we like to buy bling,
even if it means we can’t buy socks.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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31k vehicles a DAY went over that bridge. Can't run hazmat into tunnels. Gonna be wild re-routing that traffic. Re: hazmat....barges, ferries, no? Theoretically - yes. But I don't know what their average tonnage for hazmat per day would be and if the barge/ferry can carry the truck/trailer to move it. Otherwise you're looking to cross dock it prior, move over water, cross dock again and go onto delivery. Adds days to transit and thousands to cost. Multiple thousands. Not counting the cost of the ferry/barge.
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I can't believe that bridge had an inadequate fendering system. Second press conference the guy was asked if this has ever happened before. After a pause like are you kidding me, the answer was, not in Baltimore. There's your answer, hasn't happened before so didn't need it. I'd bet heavy odds the new bridge will......
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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Drunk ship captain more like it. That ship was under the control of a US pilot.
Bridges are a huge piece of our high value national infrastructure. Port cities can be crippled if they are taken out. I sure hope drunk, and not intentional. I know almost nothing about shipping or the channels there. But looking at the video, and a map, there is a good chance Baltimore harbor isn’t gonna be moving any freight for awhile. My first concern was terrorists. There are isolated railroad tunnels within a short distance of our family farm. Pap used to tell of troops guarding those tunnels during WWII. The Horseshoe Curve was also guarded. It would be quite easy to seriously hurt us, with high reward, low risk attacks to key infrastructure. American pilot? WTF does that mean? Does he have roots here before it was the USA? 100 years? 50? Or is he a Farsi speaker working a visa? Just got a notification the ship lost power. The concern for what could happen remains Most large merchant ships like that are foreign. A Pilot is someone who typically has an unlimited tonnage license and has a extensive experience in and knowledge of their port. They'll be a US citizen. Pilotage for a foreign vessel of that size is compulsory when operating in port. At some point before entering the port or getting underway from the port, the pilot takes control. It does look like a power irregularity played a role in this. I can't believe that bridge had an inadequate fendering system. NBC is reporting that the DALI is Singapore flagged ship outbound from Baltimore to Sri Lanka.
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ATTENTION
We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! What, exactly, from a maintenance perspective could have been done to keep this bridge standing after a strike from a 95,128 ton ship? A robust bridge fendering system.
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31k vehicles a DAY went over that bridge. Can't run hazmat into tunnels. Gonna be wild re-routing that traffic. Re: hazmat....barges, ferries, no? Theoretically - yes. But I don't know what their average tonnage for hazmat per day would be and if the barge/ferry can carry the truck/trailer to move it. Otherwise you're looking to cross dock it prior, move over water, cross dock again and go onto delivery. Adds days to transit and thousands to cost. Multiple thousands. Not counting the cost of the ferry/barge. Well yeah, but what's the alternative. What's the best drive around route and would that be more effective.
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
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ATTENTION
We can't spend our $$$$$ on bridge upkeep! Those $$$$$ must go to Ukraine!! What, exactly, from a maintenance perspective could have been done to keep this bridge standing after a strike from a 95,128 ton ship? A robust bridge fendering system. A fender trying to stop a 100K plus ton ship moving at two or three knots, there isn't a fender in the world that would stop it.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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There would be lights, but I’ve never seen any other protective devices on bridge piers. I built and repaired roads and bridges for 30 years. Red and green channel marker lights are all I’ve ever seen locally.
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I built and repaired bridges for 30 years. I hear there's some work back East.
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What, exactly, from a maintenance perspective could have been done to keep this bridge standing after a strike from a 95,128 ton ship? The 1972 FSK bridge was a minimally build structure (same era of budget building as the failed Twin Towers). All commercial construction from that era is a mere fraction of modern construction standards. In fairness... I have not studied the exact piles and pile caps that failed (from the impact of the vessel), but the replacements will be 500% PLUS bigger and stronger for sure.
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Fox News (FWIW) just reported that no foul play was suspected. How can they maje a statement like that so soon into this event? It takes the NTSB six months or more to figure that out on most accidents.
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