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I guess we will be getting a new govt hunter in July.

They passed a tax so all the cattle producers will pay a 2 dollar a head tax to pay for it.


Govt matching funds after that.


So, in the mean time we pay for them to fly and shoot coyotes.


The pretty red and white Jet Ranger helicopter just flew my big coulee.


Pretty neat to see.



I guess the new govt guy will be full time in this county.


Maybe I can get a picture here when I head back.

That sounds like a fun job, except the working for the gov part.

coool

Gunna be BuzzieH, now you're [bleep] !

Coyotes that big a problem for you folks?

When I first met the neighbor rancher I asked if his cattle were bothered much by them, and offered to shoot every one I see for him. He told me it's not a big bother for him.

Maybe it's all the does and fawns that hit his alfalfa pivot that keep the 'yotes happy? Couldn't get them all in the frame last night, must have been about 40 total.

Haha!

What's he gonna do? Throw a dìldo out the window?

R A PP

There are a couple Government hunters and Trappers that post here on the fire. Rio7

I know the pilot. We talked quite a lot about the program the other day.

I never thought to ask him what the shooter uses. Probably a shotgun eh?

I might take some flying lessons from him this summer.

I will ask.

Haven't seen Scenar Shooter in a while.

Is that tax $2 per head annually, or upon sale? How about the western part of the state, if ranchers are paying for predator control there should be expectation for control of bigger predators, too. Last time I hunted there, 2020, there were very few coyote tracks, but lots of wolf tracks.

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I wonder what performance reviews are like for a .gov hunter? What's the success metric?

Theoretically - the more cows he keeps alive, the more 2 dollar tax collected right?

Jim, there may be good out of 2 bucks a head, kinda like a contract, all you have to do is make a phone call, my state trapper’s have every excuse in the world why I’m wasting my time. Getting a chopper up is rare.

Not too many yrs ago....Utah would do 'aerial gunning' for 'yotes..fixed wing & helio's

Then the Governor decided to impliment the $50/head for yotes

Stating....'mule deer are better for the state's economy' than coyotes

Although several helio crashes of Gov't trappers have marred the practice

Know the one trapper that crashed & got hurt real bad..but survived

https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=6038737&itype=NGPSID

https://www.deseret.com/1998/1/15/1...area-kills-wildlife-officer-hurts-pilot/

I used to do that job.

What type govt hunter are you getting? County oriented, or USDA APHIS?

It makes a difference.

$2.00 per head - I hope you get over 0.20 per head in value returned.

Jim Conrad, It would be nice to hear from Scenar Shooter again, APDDSN0864 Ed to many letters is a Government Trapper currently working in West Texas, doing predator and pig control. Rio7

So he starts in July ,but already out there in March?

Sheesh

I talk to him, he told me he got tired of "the creeps" on 24.

Don't blame him, earlyturd, never outdoors, Hastings, 12344minimag, Fibka, raeturd,...contribute nothing.

Bunch of no hunting idiots.

Good hunters tend stay in touch and he did well like he always does.

He's a good egg, way too good for the creeps on this board.

Jim, trying to think but it's been about 5 years ago since they passed the $2/hd fee for us?

Thinking it varies by county? I'll have to ask my dad in the morning.

Again terrible memory but it was either last winter or the winter before I saw them flying the river bottom here.

Will he be required to use nontoxic bullets? After all that is what they want us to use.

We had a Fed Trapper move here about 7 years ago. Nights got quiter after that. He killed 500 coyotes in 5 months.

Sounds like ur the one butthurt

I'm sure Scenar Shooter has his own reasons. Probably not what you just said though early bird.

What he said^^^^^

You don't talk to anyone.

I am not sure about how it is collected.

Probably goes off your state livestock tax.

He's federal.

I would guess a 12 ga Benelli Auto with an extended tube and buckshot.

LMFAO!!!

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Hope they hire a good one!

They are not known for hiring good hunters/trappers in recent years.

I met a guy here, that did that, wolves mostly. Choppers to horses & vis. A Rem bolt action on it's 3rd barrel & running an SWFA variable. Said the vibratory natures of a chopper would kill a scope about as quick as anything.

I really appreciated this guy telling me some of the details. What a job!

Some of those 4 passenger Apache gunships might work better.

Aint that right campfire braintrust?

No need for all a that gunships stuff

One dude in proper Out West attire take care of a whole county if he wanted

We have been pretty lucky in that regard.

Been a few guys come around that were kinda of rovers. Been good dudes so far.

Is that picture of a screen shot from your Emachine?

Real pic here

Out West the doctors' offices are full of lifestyle art.

I'll come shoot the damn things for free, even feed myself too.

Yep. Benelli w/magazine extension tube is the tool used by a friend doing that sort of work.

I used to do gun work for the director/boss? of the govt trappers in our area (I think Scenar Shooter was in his district) and he had me change the Benelli left handed shotgun's safeties to right hand safeties due to the confusion the shooters had when they changed over to the LH Benelli's. He said the RH guns would eject the empties into the pilots gauges and break the glass etc.
This was in the airplanes. I don't think they had the same problem in the choppers (Hughes 500's ).
My friend Dick Martin said he liked the airplanes better. He was a friend of mine here in Columbus. He passed away several years ago and his boss Jim Hoover also of Absarokee/Columbus died recently.
Interesting guys, both of them.
I don't know if those guys have ever been replaced.

I never met Scenar Shooter, but I do miss his pictures and stories and hunts with his family.

When we arrived in SW Arizona in 1962 one of the first guys I met was a government employee whose job it was to control predators - mostly focused on coyotes. There were a lot of sheep being wintered there.

He used his rifle and shotgun quite a bit, but worked as much or more planting those explosive devices that contained cyanide. He called them "coyote getters".

Cyanide Guns were all over N.W. Colorado and eastern Utah when I was a kid Government trappers put them out. the gun was a 1/2" 2 piece they drove the bottom piece in the ground and the top piece was the gun which held a .45 acp with a Cyanide capsule looked like a rat shot round they would wrap a piece of rag around the top and bait it, Coyote would bite the rag and the gun would go off in their mouth, they were dangerous as Hell, killed a lot of town dogs, and few people that tripped or stepped on one while walking, most of them had a yellow and black sign close by to warn people they were close to one. Colorado Wool Growers Ass. trappers put a lot of Cyanide guns out also. life was different back then. Rio7

I think there's lots of myth with the difference in the blank fired cyanide "coyote getter" and the more modern M-44 in use today.

I never heard of one fired by a 45acp blank. Have seen some photos of a much smaller caliber blank used in those though.

Either device works the same way... A coyote grabs the bait swab and pulls it, and the cyanide capsule is triggered into it's mouth. You'll find the animal dead right there... either way. About all that had changed is the firing mechanism is now spring loaded and puts a "puff" of cyanide dust into the coyotes mouth.

I've heard tall tales about the blank fired device my entire life. My grandad, and my dad worked in the oilfield, and would come home with all kinds of tall tales related to seeing the signage....

"A guy better carry a pocketknife out here and be ready to cut his own leg off if he steps on one. He has 10 seconds to do the amputation before he dies."

"A guy I heard of in the next town got his foot blown off by one of those coyote blank fired devices... the poison killed him anyway."

And on and on... Never found any documentation of facts though.

You have to be certified on the M-44 devices now. Lots of classroom and procedure involved, but it's still not a total cure for coyotes by any stretch.

What people usually don't know is that back in the old days, before the EPA, Compound 1080 accounted for 80% of coyote control. They would put compound 1080 on meat, or carcasses, and coyotes or anything else that feasted would be found right there. Large collateral damage footprint...When the EPA banned that, coyote population went basically unchecked. Still does.

The predecessor of the M44's used a small 38 cal blank (38 short maybe?) Found one in my FIL's stuff after he passed.
When I first got licensed for M44's, the 1080 sheep collars were still legal - not sure if they still are, or not.
I never got certified on 1080 collars, as I never had any sheep.

Yeah, you can still get the 1080 collar.

Kills the coyote attacking the sheep, but kills the sheep too. (Pick an old cull to put it on.. )

We have a USDA gunner at my facility. Dude has the best job of all of us. Roll a half ton chevy with a bunch of suppressed rifles in it and lays waste to everything that touches the dam, transmission lines or substations.

He makes about 25 bux an hour less than us, but I'd trade jobs tomorrow.

Back east it's usually dogs playing poker, tastefully rendered on black velvet.