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Less bullets is not better than more bullets, generally. However, a man can only tote so much crap on the battlefield and I'd rather tote less of something that will do its job that whole lots of stuff that won't.
Anyway, just WTF does your egotistical ass know about infantry tactics? Air Force, right?

The 187th Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division taught me my infantry tactics. Not some crap I read about or watched videos of on-line. 😉

Yes I was in the Air Force and I would bet I did just as many real combat assaults as you did at West Point. Unlike many here my learning didn't stop after a 4 year hitch.

The fact you don't understand that for any given weight an infrantry grunt gets many more bullets of 5.56mm than of the new 6.8mm pretty much defines your whine.

The ol saw that the 5.56mm won't work is just silly based on over 2 decades of GWOT with the 5.56mm working really well in combat. You just look dumb stating the 5.56mm has "no business as a war cartridge". The 5.56mm has the longest and best run as a "war cartridge" the world has ever seen. The newer M855A1 version has proven even more effective in real combat.

in case no one mentioned the 6.8x51 is designed to go thru level 4 body armor and plates at 500 meters, something the 5.56 is lacking. the Army 6.8 projectiles, are kept under wraps and not commercially available, is special materials rounds.

body armor is something to consider.

This!

Maybe I missed it, how many rounds can the standard issue magazine hold?

War in the Middle East is only question of time. These will come in handy because when it comes to supporting Americas most valued ally in major war no boots on the ground is not going to be an option.

RE: the change--There is a huge amount of money spent on R&D for new weapons--the military/industrial complex needs more money

BINGO! That is the ultimate, most essential advantage of this pathetic feather nesting project. An in your face mooning of every single tax strapped citizen. These degenerates should be forced to the front lines in Ukraine toting their garbage. R&D field testing.

And the civilians who will change to the new cartridge and rifles, along with reloading supplies, is a substantial market.

Nah. They got the six five creed, best bullet ever. On the shelf everywhere.

Seems like the 7.62x39 ought to be at least mentioned in that breath as well.

No illusions/delusions about experience here, I didn't/haven't and am now to old to serve in any military capacity. The only version of "combat" I have experience with is trying to keep other boats off my marker bouy when catching is good. The last "war" video game I played extensively was on an Atari driving pixilated tanks.

Does it make any sense to have these available for the best few shooters in a squad, maybe for those who set a perimeter, or, as an option if traveling through open country? Does it have to be "All or nothing?"

Don’t shoot til you see the whites of their eyes!!!

lol

Now if only the army could teach their soldiers to shoot.

I wonder what 80k psi is like when your buddy corks a few off next to your ear.

The standard 50-60k sucks pretty hard.

I can't help but think that the 6.5 CM would have done just about everything they are trying to accomplish with a whole lot less R&D. If not the CM, a modified 260 Rem which is based upon the 308 case. In same bullet weights, the 6.5 has a higher BC and better long range performance than the 277.

That is the best informed post on this thread. Warriors need to train hard and like to train hard.


mike r

If one of the 101st's choppers flies over my house, as they do on a regular basis, and one of the new rifles falls out, and stuff has been known to, maybe I'll find it and give you guys a review.

It's about time! I used the M16 in 'Nam and it sucked. Was always jamming just when you needed it most to perform. 'Course you became an expert at quickly recycling your weapon. The gooks had 30 round magazines and we had twenty round magazines. Put us at a disadvantage.

I'm glad that our military is finally providing a superior primary weapon for our service men and women.

It will be interesting to see how well that electronic scope performs. Maybe carry several extra batteries? It would be a bitch for the battery to run out just when you need it the most. Some users may elect to use a simple telescopic site.

Weren't they going to be supplied with suppressors?

Two things strike me about this: 1) the most important tool in the military, after the soldier, is being designed using analytics ala McNamara and the Whiz Kids in the 60's, not boots on the ground grunts. Interesting the MACV-SOG guys and LRRPS carried their weight in ammo. 2) the other thing that if this is the main battle weapon of our ground forces, then our arsenals are going to have to ramp up production bigly...and there's goes prices and components for civilians.