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Do you have a county agricultural extension agent? Yeah, something along those lines. And check with the ODFW to see what's legal..............or take you chances if the pond fails and you introduce a non-native fish into a salmon/steelhead watershed. They'd not be happy with you. You would be better off calling up your local DNR and getting hold of a fish biologist . ODFW, the Oregon Dept of FISH and Wildlife is where one would go to get hold of a fish biologist. It's likely the OP, living in Oregon, knows who ODFW is and that they deal with FISHOregon does not seem to have a DNR, "natural resources": seems to fall under the Ag dept. https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/NaturalResources/Pages/Default.aspxDamn, it's nothing short of amazing how you figured that out. I would've just gone on the internet and posted a question. See that award there in my avatar space......................... it ain't there fer nuthin' bub. I always thought it was a meatball, since you're eye-talian??
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Is it that complicated out west? That’s an honest question. It is. Here, you're not even supposed to collect rainwater off your roof. Water is scarce over much of the west. Seven states are now trying to work out how to divvy up water from the Colorado River. If people in Colorado diverted the water that originates here, downstream users would be royally screwed. And we have RIGHTS, dammnit! Rights? You live in California 😂 Actually, California has senior water rights to the Colorado. Those sneaky bastards.
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Do you have a county agricultural extension agent? Yeah, something along those lines. And check with the ODFW to see what's legal..............or take you chances if the pond fails and you introduce a non-native fish into a salmon/steelhead watershed. They'd not be happy with you. You would be better off calling up your local DNR and getting hold of a fish biologist . ODFW, the Oregon Dept of FISH and Wildlife is where one would go to get hold of a fish biologist. It's likely the OP, living in Oregon, knows who ODFW is and that they deal with FISHOregon does not seem to have a DNR, "natural resources": seems to fall under the Ag dept. https://www.oregon.gov/ODA/programs/NaturalResources/Pages/Default.aspxDamn, it's nothing short of amazing how you figured that out. I would've just gone on the internet and posted a question. See that award there in my avatar space......................... it ain't there fer nuthin' bub. I always thought it was a meatball, since you're eye-talian?? Beaver award?--------------Meatball?---------------------??? about the only difference is I could eat the meatball.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Dang eagles will flat do a number on fish that come to surface,,, anything under 2 bs are in danger,, Yup, and at $10+ per grass carp it sucks.. Luckily eagles kind of suck at fishing, something like a 30% success rate per diving "swoop". The osprey's are a whole different story, a definite "dive" very effective and fun to watch.
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Do you have a local college with a decent biology/environmental science department nearby? If so, contact the head of the department and see if he is willing to put together an assessment team to give you a full profile of your pond. There are a ton of variables that go into the assessment including nighttime O2 levels, how far down the light penetrates, plant and algae in the water, water chemistry and what minerals that are on the bottom of the pond.
When I was in college the local lake owners were begging us for our services and in turn we usually got a research paper out of it.
Good luck!
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Dang eagles will flat do a number on fish that come to surface,,, anything under 2 bs are in danger,, eagles ospreys great blue herons crested night herons seagulls king fishers cormorants if the pond is big, pelicans (God help you) Then: mink otters coons 2 lbs is not a safe limit. I've seen pelicans killed with 26" trout inside. Otters will take anything they want. Once a critter discovers the buffet, they tend to invite all their buddies for a party..... Don't get caught shooting any of them, except the coons....
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Until the last 20 years eagles and Ospreys didn’t exist here.
They sure do now.
The buffet was mentioned, once they find it they don’t fill their belly. They pretty much stay as long as they can find food. Their success rates aren’t great either, you will find stabbed fish that escaped to die later. Totally wasted.
First I heard of the problem was a sportsman’s club that raises and stocks trout, under the eye of PFC. The warden was there looking things over and saw Herons at the tanks.
Immediately pissed he commented on them, and was told they were doing everything they could think of, “But we can’t get rid of them, and they are protected.”
“Yeah, they are. Federal crime, huge fines. Be a damn shame if one flew through your archery range and got killed.
If the Feds found out there would be a big stink.”
The Herons soon disappeared.
I know of two guys who had problems with them in private ponds. Both found ways to solve their problems, just like rural farmers have for centuries.
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I forgot to thank you guys for posting. There's a lot of good information here and I'll be able to use it.
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Dang eagles will flat do a number on fish that come to surface,,, anything under 2 bs are in danger,, eagles ospreys great blue herons crested night herons seagulls king fishers cormorants if the pond is big, pelicans (God help you) Then: mink otters coons Add piranhas to the mix[they'll help with the 4 leggers].
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Church out-west types that act churchy but don’t go to church.
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Dang eagles will flat do a number on fish that come to surface,,, anything under 2 bs are in danger,, eagles ospreys great blue herons crested night herons seagulls king fishers cormorants if the pond is big, pelicans (God help you) Then: mink otters coons Add piranhas to the mix[they'll help with the 4 leggers]. Pfft Mennonites will clean a pond out way faster
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Lol, back when I stocked ponds, the stories I would hear about people sneaking in to a neighbor’s pond to catch stocked trout……. You can kinda understand the young kids, but some were grown-assed men!
People lose their mind when there’s big fish involved.
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Are we talking about Bristoe again? 
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Lol, back when I stocked ponds, the stories I would hear about people sneaking in to a neighbor’s pond to catch stocked trout……. You can kinda understand the young kids, but some were grown-assed men!
People lose their mind when there’s big fish involved. Folks sneaking in to some of the places I worked to catch old brood fish with worn down fins and rounded noses! But, the one place had some lakers pushing 25lbs. Boss would keep them about 13 years, then stock them in L Ontario.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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That's a scary thought. I'm not even sure I should be listening to me.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Lol, back when I stocked ponds, the stories I would hear about people sneaking in to a neighbor’s pond to catch stocked trout……. You can kinda understand the young kids, but some were grown-assed men!
People lose their mind when there’s big fish involved. Folks sneaking in to some of the places I worked to catch old brood fish with worn down fins and rounded noses! But, the one place had some lakers pushing 25lbs. Boss would keep them about 13 years, then stock them in L Ontario. Oh, yeah, I had one guy that would buy all my cull broodstock every spring and stock this +/- 1 acre pond. Family vacation home kinda thing. Bunch of ratty looking males and a few big pot bellied females. One year, a 16 year old nephew hooks a 8 or 10 lb steelhead strain trout. The kid carried it around for HOURS, so proud of himself. As I’m listening to the story, I’m having a hard time keeping the “WTF, dude” look off my face. People are WEIRD about big fish.
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Sixty-one years ago I snuck into the neighbors farm pond. It was also about an acre. He had stocked a few years before. I knew I hooked a whopper right away because almost immediately it jumped and I could see it was big. I was using 4 lb line at the time so it took a little bit to get it to the shore. I don't know what it weighed but it was 29 in long.
Nana baked it for us.
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lol, how many other places have you snuck into?
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